8 Year extension for Campbell

[joefrog]

@joefrog and @Gunnerclone punching absolute AIR right now.

Why would I let something like this get me upset?

Haven't seen the breakdown or the details.

He seems like a good person with a nice family, and takes care of his assistants pretty well.

I just want him to improve as a coach, too. Just as he demands of his players.

Coaches are stubborn, so he probably won't.

ISU lost to ASU when he didn't try for a score before half, with time and timeouts.

So ISU has their Ferentz.

That's not awful, and the diehard ISU fans are quite happy with him.

 

[Cyrealist]

As to kicking the field goal against ASU, the game was out of reach and it was good for the team to have something positive. AND it was completely consistent with Campbell's philosophy of playing within ourselves rather than pressing for a superhuman effort.

 

[CyNews]

Old news now.

 

[CyGuy5]

I can be pretty critical at times, but he’s far and away the best coach we’ve ever had. Can’t imagine where ISU football would be without him. Well deserved

 

[jdoggivjc]

Just look at winning conference records.

...so you're saying a winning conference record has... sarcastically shocked inhale... perhaps become a... sarcastically shocked inhale... raised expectation for Campbell?

 

[Cloneon]

This isn't a knock on Campbell, but KSU was in a much worse place when Snyder took over than what Campbell inherited.

One could argue apples to oranges. The college football climate is so radically different today than when Snyder took over. So many different obstacles. And though the circumstances 'when' he took over could be advantage ISU, the subsequent path I'd argue has been more difficult for CMC than the vamp.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I can be pretty critical at times, but he’s far and away the best coach we’ve ever had. Can’t imagine where ISU football would be without him. Well deserved

and I never said he wasn't far and away the best coach ISU has ever had. I even said his extension was well deserved. but people want to blow off "raised expectations" while claiming all of these great things that... shocker... they now expect from his seasons.

 

[Cloneon]

IF SEC and ACC and big ten are tampering. Rocco and the rest of the guys need to drop the names of those schools. This has to end. I don't think we are tampering and if so someone would drop our name.

Glad to have Campbell wrapped up. I get mad at Matt for his stuburness and his inability to adjust to certain things, Howerver, it's not like we have top coaches lined up to take our job and I think we are good with Campbell. He seems to want to be a Cyclone.

We'd have to be naive to think there isn't any tampering. And even if they aren't literally breaking the rules the whole loosely worded legality around NIL allows pretty much any booster to act on their own behalf. And don't for a second think there aren't 'agents' skirting this as well. Until there is a centralized governing body (NCAA doesn't count), this stuff will happen.

 

[Remo Gaggi]

Never forget.

And Herbie’s kid signed with Michigan.

 

[HFCS]

perfect example - expectations were raised. McCarney was fired just as much for failing to do better than 7 wins in 2005 when that team's ceiling was much, much higher, as he was for the program falling off the cliff in 2006, much less not meeting elevated expectations in 2006.

as I said, even in McCarney's time, expectations were raised above more than just winning seasons and bowl games... the same standard some people want to continue to hold Campbell to when he's already shown he can do much, much more. And if he continues to do much, much more, more is going to eventually be expected from him. It's an undeniable truth.

It wasn't a radical move at all considering a relatively new and aggressive AD came in. That's just how sports work, college and pro. Everybody constantly acknowledges what Mac did.

 

[alarson]

perfect example - expectations were raised. McCarney was fired just as much for failing to do better than 7 wins in 2005 when that team's ceiling was much, much higher, as he was for the program falling off the cliff in 2006, much less not meeting elevated expectations in 2006.

as I said, even in McCarney's time, expectations were raised above more than just winning seasons and bowl games... the same standard some people want to continue to hold Campbell to when he's already shown he can do much, much more. And if he continues to do much, much more, more is going to eventually be expected from him. It's an undeniable truth.

I mean, it wasn't just that.

The big 12 north had turned dreadful in those years as well and we knew we had a pretty lucky rotation avoiding the 3 teams that were good in the south. Plus the fact that when we weren't beating bad teams we were often getting blown out by 30+ points even in years like 04.

 

[Pope]

and I never said he wasn't far and away the best coach ISU has ever had. I even said his extension was well deserved. but people want to blow off "raised expectations" while claiming all of these great things that... shocker... they now expect from his seasons.

Of course it's obvious that with increased success comes increased expectations, but you're wrong if you're implying Iowa State will dump Campbell if he doesn't finish near the top every year.

 

[Al_4_State]

Why would I let something like this get me upset?

Haven't seen the breakdown or the details.

He seems like a good person with a nice family, and takes care of his assistants pretty well.

I just want him to improve as a coach, too. Just as he demands of his players.

Coaches are stubborn, so he probably won't.

ISU lost to ASU when he didn't try for a score before half, with time and timeouts.

So ISU has their Ferentz.

That's not awful, and the diehard ISU fans are quite happy with him.

I know you mean this as a dig, but it's a pretty big compliment.

 

[AuH2O]

This isn't a knock on Campbell, but KSU was in a much worse place when Snyder took over than what Campbell inherited.

Yeah, it is very true. I don't think people appreciate what Snyder did. Snyder is one of the greatest coaches in college football history given what he did at that absolute football graveyard.

It always made me laugh when people tried to look at Snyder and say, he did the Juco thing, or all these reasons why he was able to turn that thing into what it was.

I remember hearing some old interviews with people that worked with Snyder, and it is pretty amazing. It basically came down to the fact that KSU football was his life. If you worked on his staff, it was going to be your life too. Every recruiting, development, game-planning, scouting rock was going to be turned. Every college coach puts in a ton of hours. But he outworked them all. I'm not sure if it was the case his second go-round, but building KSU up it was all consuming.

 

[Cyballzz]

Campbell teams were more competitive than previous staffs with OU and Texas almost immediately.

I love all three of those guys but that's really the difference. A 7 win season where you're in every game is very different than a 7 win season where the ranked Big 12 teams obliterate you.

Even in our worst season under Campbell we were only outclassed by 1 team and that team played for the National Title that year.

 

[Cyrealist]

ISU lost to ASU when he didn't try for a score before half, with time and timeouts.

Dumbest thing I've read since I've been a member.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Of course it's obvious that with increased success comes increased expectations, but you're wrong if you're implying Iowa State will dump Campbell if he doesn't finish near the top every year.

did I ever imply that? no. however... if he has a program regression, such as he starts stringing more 2021s (where he does things where he admits he lost the locker room a little bit due to how he treated the senior class that year) followed by several 2022s in a row, and yes, he'll find himself in a lot of hot water.

 

[Pope]

did I ever imply that? no. however... if he has a program regression, such as he starts stringing more 2021s (where he does things where he admits he lost the locker room a little bit due to how he treated the senior class that year) followed by several 2022s in a row, and yes, he'll find himself in a lot of hot water.

Good to know. I'm sure you'll be all over it if it happens. Jeez.

 

[Cyrealist]

Snyder relied heavily on JUCOs, many of whom were partial qualifiers and wouldn’t get into most schools. Even Mac attempted this strategy at times and many/most of the highest rated jucos he recruited never got admitted. Totally different recruiting landscape today.

Kansas also has a great system of junior colleges. Snyder also always played an extremely soft nonconference schedule. BUT he was probably one of the best Xs and Os coaches ever.

 

[Cyrealist]

...so you're saying a winning conference record has... sarcastically shocked inhale... perhaps become a... sarcastically shocked inhale... raised expectation for Campbell?

We belong to the Woebegone Conference where all the teams have winning conference records.