If Cal just shut down their entire AD, or went to a D3 no scholarship model, would that really be very surprising?
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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We know what TV execs wanted to happen to the big 12 when OuT happened. At the same time USC/UCLA big ten was going to happen. What was the end game there? Were they wanting the top teams to go ACC and dump the rest? I’m guessing the big 12 surviving really messed up their plans.
I wonder if their thought was have some big 12 teams eventually end up in the PAC and have 4 conferences. The big 12 getting aggressive may have had the TV execs decide to fully kill the PAC instead.
I wonder if their thought was have some big 12 teams eventually end up in the PAC and have 4 conferences. The big 12 getting aggressive may have had the TV execs decide to fully kill the PAC instead.
So we will play these teams once in ten years? at what point do you just split to two divisions of 10
FSU/Clemson/Louie and Pitt? Who is 4th. I’d take Carolina or someone like that instead.
I would guess the 4th AAC team would either be Miami or Georgia Tech, both schools are AAU members and would get the conference into fairly large population states that they are now not serving.
Like you stated by adding those two along with UNC and UVA they now would have 6 teams on the East coast and then adding Stanford and Cal gives them 6 on the West coast. Cuts down travel and makes scheduling easier for everyone.
I'm assuming that this is all smoke from Clemson / FSU to gain leverage with the ACC or BIG / SEC.
Lets assume I'm wrong, and this is a real possibility which would lead me to this honest question..... Why?
Why would the big 12 be a better place for FSU Clemson? Is the money that much better? is the playoff easier to make? Pardon my ignorance, but I wouldn't understand the strategy by the move from the ACC to big 12.
Maybe the networks want to kill the ACC, to force ND into BIG? Are they willing to overpay for FSU / Clem into the big 12?
Lets assume I'm wrong, and this is a real possibility which would lead me to this honest question..... Why?
Why would the big 12 be a better place for FSU Clemson? Is the money that much better? is the playoff easier to make? Pardon my ignorance, but I wouldn't understand the strategy by the move from the ACC to big 12.
Maybe the networks want to kill the ACC, to force ND into BIG? Are they willing to overpay for FSU / Clem into the big 12?
That’s my question. And if the answer is unequal revenue sharing and/or private equity. No thanks.
The Big 12 with Clemson and FSU would make more $ than the ACC. I don't know how much more, but it would be an increase.
If the Big 10 and SEC aren't going to take them, and TV wants to force ND into the Big 10, this would definitely be one way to do it.
It’s not ALL smoke. The FSU/Clemson thing very well might be them posturing for leverage. But there are certainly a ton of back channel conversations happening between the big 12 and the schools that are not obvious SEC or Big 10 targets.
Just my $0.02 - if it were smoke, I don’t think Scheer would be reporting it.
My tin foil hat theory is that the sports tv market bubble is getting close to bursting and the Big 10 and SEC might be getting too bloated while the Big 12 is still sitting at the table.
I could see Big 12 adding 4, Big 10 panicking and adding two, and the SEC standing pat because they can go get whoever they want whenever they want.
My tin foil hat theory is that the sports tv market bubble is getting close to bursting and the Big 10 and SEC might be getting too bloated while the Big 12 is still sitting at the table.
I could see Big 12 adding 4, Big 10 panicking and adding two, and the SEC standing pat because they can go get whoever they want whenever they want.
Real question is what do the 4 pods of 5 look like when Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, and Miami join.
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I haven't seen the additional tweet from Scheer but I saw it mentioned on another forum that Scheer also said, along with FSU and Clemson, "keep an eye on Miami, Louisville, and NC State"
Agree with you. But “conferences” are just groups of institutions collectively negotiating for media rights at this point. It’s a shame
The GOR is fine and isn't the issue for the ACC.
What is at issue is the process by which the ACC extended their TV deal with ESPN and the GOR, not the GOR language itself. Also at issue is the amount of the ACC $120M exit fee (separate from the GOR).
If ESPN doesn't pick up their 2027 ACC TV option (they need to notify the ACC by JAN 2025), the GOR settlement amount will obviously be drastically reduced.
It's the old Algebra 1 mixture problem. You're adding a high % solution to the overall mixture, increasing the % of the entire mixture.
I think the ACC and Big12 are currently on about the same $/team for TV money. But since Clemson & FSU are the big brands, they would certainly be worth more than the average, so would bring the avg UP for the Big12. Esp because the range from top to bottom in the ACC is wider than in the Big12.
Swagging some numbers... I get this adds something like $5M per team overall to the Big12. And you stick a knife in the ACC as well. So that's great. But why would FSU & Clemson jump for $5M additional, when they want $20-30M additional?
Unequal revenue sharing? I don't think the Big12 members would accept it, knowing what it has done in the past. Maybe that's where PE comes in, they put up a bunch of money to buy FSU & Clemson, and take a chunk of the upper on the next TV contract. As long as you aren't giving up too much future money (or making it mostly a bet on the increase for the PE) it could make sense. Lots of ifs and buts to be sure...
I think you'd take UNC if you could get them. B12 basketball would be absolutely legendary
ESPN has a chance to kill another conference. I have faith they can get it done.
I have faith too. It's one less conference they'd have to negotiate with and pay. It's a foregone conclusion at this point.
Then just figure out a way to force unequal revenue sharing and start to wedge the top tier out. Pay the rest less within the conferences or tell them to poind sand.
We're so so close! Go ESPN!!
