When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 72 8.1%
  • In the next year

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 163 18.4%
  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 189 21.3%
  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 455 51.4%

  • Total voters
    886
Or switch to a bike!


These are sort of annoying on the bike paths. Seems like a lot of newb bikers buy them and don't really now how to ride safely and speed along busy Twin Cities bike paths at 20 mph.
 
According to the facebook somebody a couple blocks from me took delivery of a cybertruck yesterday. They claimed it was the first one delivered in Iowa. I'd be surprised if there weren't a couple running around in Des Moines already though.
Saw one south of the Altoona Target last Sunday. IMO they look better* in real life than on the screen.

*I am still not putting money down for one.
 
These are sort of annoying on the bike paths. Seems like a lot of newb bikers buy them and don't really now how to ride safely and speed along busy Twin Cities bike paths at 20 mph.
There’s definitely some conflict, it’s a bit annoying to get blown by going up a hill in the bike lane by someone on one.
 
From what I've seen sticker price on Domestic vehicles is considerably higher than Japanese but the domestic dealers are more likely to wheel and deal where it all works out to paying about the same. My coworker and I both just bought 1/2 ton hybrid pick-ups within a couple months of each other. List price for his Ford was $7-$8k more than my Toyota with similar options. Our out the door prices were within a couple hundred of each other with his being just a little less than mine.

Quite frankly that’s just stupid and I hate when companies do that. Just tell me the price. This is a vehicle, I don’t want act like it’s a Moroccan bazaar out here.
 
Tesla just lowered the monthly price of FSD from $200 to $100. Still not worth it for me but getting closer
It certainly has its cool factor but the everyday user reviews I’ve read paint it as pretty horrible compared to how it’s hyped.
 
Tesla just lowered the monthly price of FSD from $200 to $100. Still not worth it for me but getting closer
Totally agree with you. I’ve been taking advantage of my free subscription for the month and it has exceeded expectations in a lot of ways. Definitely some amazing engineering and fun to do (my five year old gets a kick out of it too), but it just doesn’t add much value for me. If im in the car and needing to pay attention to the road it’s really not an inconvenience to turn the steering wheel and push on the gas pedal.
 
Totally agree with you. I’ve been taking advantage of my free subscription for the month and it has exceeded expectations in a lot of ways. Definitely some amazing engineering and fun to do (my five year old gets a kick out of it too), but it just doesn’t add much value for me. If im in the car and needing to pay attention to the road it’s really not an inconvenience to turn the steering wheel and push on the gas pedal.
I agree, with a “but…” We have a Subaru with lane keeping, the wife absolutely loves it for nighttime driving so she can focus on the surroundings/threats while the car automates the lane centering/keeping it between the lines. She has not the greatest night vision, and would spend her concentration (read: stress) just on watching where the road is going versus possible obstacles. Personally for me it makes no difference.
 
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I agree, with a “but…” We have a Subaru with lane keeping, the wife absolutely loves it for nighttime driving so she can focus on the surroundings/threats while the car automates the lane centering/keeping it between the lines. She has not the greatest night vision, and would spend her concentration (read: stress) just on watching where the road is going versus possible obstacles. Personally for me it makes no difference.
It can be pretty hard to see the lines on a rainy night, but I have a hard time putting that much faith in technology, especially if there's been road work.
 
It can be pretty hard to see the lines on a rainy night, but I have a hard time putting that much faith in technology, especially if there's been road work.
She’s not using it to ignore the road or “putting that much faith” into it. It’s an assist; she would certainly notice if it was taking her off the road.
 
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I agree, with a “but…” We have a Subaru with lane keeping, the wife absolutely loves it for nighttime driving so she can focus on the surroundings/threats while the car automates the lane centering/keeping it between the lines. She has not the greatest night vision, and would spend her concentration (read: stress) just on watching where the road is going versus possible obstacles. Personally for me it makes no difference.
Don’t disagree with you but I’m not talking about the auto pilot features like lane assist and adaptive cruise control. I’m talking about the full self driving where you put in an address and it drives there without you controlling acceleration, stopping, steering, turning corners, etc
 
Don’t disagree with you but I’m not talking about the auto pilot features like lane assist and adaptive cruise control. I’m talking about the full self driving where you put in an address and it drives there without you controlling acceleration, stopping, steering, turning corners, etc
Also don’t disagree but… those features are a part of the full self driving experience that someone like my wife would very much enjoy, even more so than the auto pilot features, for the very same reasons she enjoys the auto pilot features. Even less need to spend thoughts on the “administrative” duties of driving.
 
Something like a lane departure warning could be helpful.
It’s not near as helpful for her; our old vehicle had lane departure, there wasn’t much benefit for her. It alone doesn’t alleviate the need to focus on the curvature of the road ahead, and the anxiety it can create.
 
It’s not near as helpful for her; our old vehicle had lane departure, there wasn’t much benefit for her. It alone doesn’t alleviate the need to focus on the curvature of the road ahead, and the anxiety it can create.
I'd be worried that by the time I figured out the car didn't know what it was doing, it would be too late to correct it. That's why I don't think the truckers need to worry about their jobs for quite a while.
 
I'd be worried that by the time I figured out the car didn't know what it was doing, it would be too late to correct it. That's why I don't think the truckers need to worry about their jobs for quite a while.
At least on the Subaru you have to keep your hands on the wheel and it also watches your face/eyes. It turns off (with warnings) if it thinks you’re not paying attention. It also turns off if it can’t reliably see the road markings in the same manner.

No system will ever be perfect, and it may not be for everyone but for some it is a huge benefit.
 
Having owned 5 or so cars with assisted/smart/lane centering, fsd, etc. and they are wildly different. I had an Infiniti about 10 years ago that was surprisingly good but it would get freaked out by the salt lines the DOT put out before a storm. My Kia has great lane centering but it's intelligent cruise even at its most aggressive setting, is not aggressive enough. The BMW I had was decent but if the sun hit the cameras at a certain angle, it would be disabled. I've probably driven 20k miles using these cruise systems and I've never felt unsafe. They will sometimes get the lanes mixed up and you have to guide them, which is no big deal. The big problem with most of these systems are that they'll never improve. I'll never buy another car that can't be patched/improved ota.

All of those are a lot different than what Tesla is building. My wife has said that she's been happy overall with FSD, but is unnerving sitting in a semis blind spots, which it seems to do. I've never tried the older version but people are saying that the difference between v11 and v12 is huge, which is encouraging. Irregardless if whether you like Tesla, Musk, using self driving, etc. everyone should root for it's advancement. It will save tens of thousands of lives in the u.s. per year, help traffic, save insurance costs, etc.

Just saw a commercial for Mercedes drive pilot. "You can take your eyes off the road and your hands off the wheel" . Mercedes has been the leader in safety forever, so I'm happy to hear they are stepping up. Now they need to make their EV's more attractive.
 
Perfect example of 1,000 city-living IT workers designing a truck rather than vehicle and automotive experts. Like Tesla does on most things - they grossly over focus and promis on things that don't matter (bullet proof glass, fully self driving vehicles that are anything but, etc) rather than on the nuts and bolts of what makes a vehicle great.

It's also part (though one of many reasons) their sales were down 20% this quarter DESPITE countless, significant monthly price reductions, and why lifetime expected recalls on a Tesla are over 100 compared to the under 10 on any other vehicle.
But the city-driving IT workers comprise like 90% of truck buyers. Not Cybertrucks, but all trucks. You're more likely to see a 4 door truck hauling nothing more than the driver than you are hauling anything that REQUIRES a truck. #minivanlife
 
So all those extra cameras to support this feature came free on the car? Or the extra processing power needed, Tesla just writes those parts off as losses for customer that don’t subscribe to the feature?
But having a single, standardized HW build also has benefits that save money elsewhere. One single wiring harness design. One single assembly procedure. It costs money to provide options, which is why most passenger car companies do packages rather than individual options.

I work in the heavy duty truck industry where customers can individually select nearly every component. It's a management nightmare. Every engine has to work with every transmission and every suspension/axle set and every steering option and every brake option. There are literally thousands of possible combinations per model. In our case, customers are generating revenue with the trucks so they can justify the extra expense. Would you be willing to spend double the price on a Cybertruck just to have the option to buy one without cameras you don't use?
 
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