*** Official #24 IOWA STATE vs #20 BYU Game(Day) Thread ***

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I thought we should have had a lead at the half. For most of the first half, our ball movement/offense was pretty good, save for some shot selection and lazy passes that ended up in TOs. Unfortunately a lot of those lazy passes were near the perimeter, which made it fairly easy for BYU to score in transition or, at the very least, put us in some scramble situations on the other end. We also yielded way too many offensive rebounds after initially playing some decent defense.

The 2nd half was a complete disaster and it felt like Otz didn't even try to manage the game and keep his team in it. We completely got away from moving the ball and (instead) went almost completely to a dribble oriented offense off of iso situations. Even Lipsey, someone who picks and chooses his battles well, was guilty. Keshon was completely out of control the entire night, so much so I thought he should have sat for most of the 2nd half. He was his own worst enemy.

Now, given BYU's effort (2nd half) and ball movement (the 3s, 1st half o boards, and repeated cuts to the basket killed us) we probably wouldn't have won the game regardless. With that said I find it to be a troubling trend where the complete lack of game management handicaps our ability to win games, especially on the road. There WILL be close road games and things like allowing (leaving guys in, no TOs, etc) the horrendous dribble offense, playing Pavs 15 minutes (who cannot defend teams like BYU at all), not playing Hason more (he's not losing effectiveness when he's pulled out...he can play more), and rolling some pretty flawed rotations will help us lose those games.

This team can't consistently be it's own worst enemy and ever be better than a middle of the pack team. Losing to BYU on the road isn't bad or even unexpected, but repeatedly seeing the same behaviors, both on the floor and the bench, that help lead us to losses is a bit concerning. I'm not very hopeful but that needs to change.
 
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The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking tendonitis for Lipsey. I have a lot of experience with that in my shoulders and elbows, and it will be going along just fine and then you put pressure on it from the wrong angle and it feels like your arm suddenly caught fire. Hopefully that is it and he can ice it up. Pretty sure it's his off hand, isn't it?
Not to change the subject, but I hope the ISU training staff is aware of stuff that really helps heal injuries like tendons, joints, muscles. There are two peptides, BPC 157 and TB 500, both really help heals those type of injuries. Also PectaSol helps as well. This won't help for in season, but blood platelet injections works pretty good too. I had injections in my hip for a torn labrum, it worked as I avoided surgery and in six weeks I was back to doing activities like bodyweight squats and lunges. I also had them for tennis elbow with great results.
 

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Not to change the subject, but I hope the ISU training staff is aware of stuff that really helps heal injuries like tendons, joints, muscles. There are two peptides, BPC 157 and TB 500, both really help heals those type of injuries. Also PectaSol helps as well. This won't help for in season, but blood platelet injections works pretty good too. I had injections in my hip for a torn labrum, it worked as I avoided surgery and in six weeks I was back to doing activities like bodyweight squats and lunges. I also had them for tennis elbow with great results.
I'm sure they are, but I wasn't! I'll have to check those out if mine flares up again.
 

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Not to change the subject, but I hope the ISU training staff is aware of stuff that really helps heal injuries like tendons, joints, muscles. There are two peptides, BPC 157 and TB 500, both really help heals those type of injuries. Also PectaSol helps as well. This won't help for in season, but blood platelet injections works pretty good too. I had injections in my hip for a torn labrum, it worked as I avoided surgery and in six weeks I was back to doing activities like bodyweight squats and lunges. I also had them for tennis elbow with great results.
By the way, google says that the FDA banned BPC-157 (not that this is particularly bothersome to me) and both are listed as banned by some world sports organizations
 

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By the way, google says that the FDA banned BPC-157 (not that this is particularly bothersome to me) and both are listed as banned by some world sports organizations

Another year, another you not making the Olympics.

Sometimes pipe dreams are just that.
 
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4 games into the conference season and I think most of the teams are pretty even. Kansas might be elite. But other than that a lot of teams are very good. We are one of those very good teams.

The “Tim Floyd” standings will be very important this year. Being +1 would be a huge accomplishment.
 

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4 games into the conference season and I think most of the teams are pretty even. Kansas might be elite. But other than that a lot of teams are very good. We are one of those very good teams.

The “Tim Floyd” standings will be very important this year. Being +1 would be a huge accomplishment.
I agree, though I'm not sold on KU just yet. I think it's going to be a dogfight from top to bottom (except for maybe the very bottom 2-3 teams).
 

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I agree, though I'm not sold on KU just yet. I think it's going to be a dogfight from top to bottom (except for maybe the very bottom 2-3 teams).

Yeah, I almost said there were a bunch of even teams. I put Kansas as maybe elite because no team has luck like them.
 
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4 games into the conference season and I think most of the teams are pretty even. Kansas might be elite. But other than that a lot of teams are very good. We are one of those very good teams.

The “Tim Floyd” standings will be very important this year. Being +1 would be a huge accomplishment.
And if ISU played a "normal" game they likely would be 3-1 or 4-0…but they lose their minds on the road and play like they’ve forgotten everything they’ve learned about team ball..
 
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Well that was horrible.

The issue to me wasn't the 13 threes we gave up, it was all the easy layups at the rim. It wasn't super noticeable, but I felt like the defensive game plan going in was to extend the defense and try to get out on shooters and double less, and that BYU had the perfect counter in the repeated back door cuts.

For most of the first half we played with pretty good energy - and for a stretch we forced turnovers and scored off of it,

But we came out of the half completely lost on both ends and never recovered. We didn't force turnovers or defend the paint. And then the ridiculous Flagrant 2 happened and the game was over.

We are, obviously, still dead last in Haslametric's "Away from Home" metric. We need to get that figured out - the saying that "defense travels" doesn't apply if you can't play with the same intensity on the road.
 

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4 games into the conference season and I think most of the teams are pretty even. Kansas might be elite. But other than that a lot of teams are very good. We are one of those very good teams.

The “Tim Floyd” standings will be very important this year. Being +1 would be a huge accomplishment.
Yeah and even Kansas isn't that great. It will be interesting to see final conference records. Honestly there isn't really any elite team in all of college bball
 
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Well that was horrible.

The issue to me wasn't the 13 threes we gave up, it was all the easy layups at the rim. It wasn't super noticeable, but I felt like the defensive game plan going in was to extend the defense and try to get out on shooters and double less, and that BYU had the perfect counter in the repeated back door cuts.

For most of the first half we played with pretty good energy - and for a stretch we forced turnovers and scored off of it,

But we came out of the half completely lost on both ends and never recovered. We didn't force turnovers or defend the paint. And then the ridiculous Flagrant 2 happened and the game was over.

We are, obviously, still dead last in Haslametric's "Away from Home" metric. We need to get that figured out - the saying that "defense travels" doesn't apply if you can't play with the same intensity on the road.

ISU just isn't as good defensively despite the metrics.

The way they play got found out last year (anticipate the trap, skip it) and I'm not sure if they have the dudes to play a straight D vs. chaotic trapping.
 

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at ucf
at texas
at ksu
at cincy

pick 2 of those is my guess at away wins
Outside of the game at Houston we should be less than a 5 point underdog in all of our remaining road games and I suspect that we will be favored in all of our remaining home games. Every team in this league is going to have a game where things get out of hand and most teams are going to have a 2-3 game losing streak in the league because there are 11 teams that are worthy of a NCAA tournament bid in this league.

If we go 9-9 we are in the tournament. I think we have to re-evaluate where we are after the mid-point of 9 games. In our next five we have at TCU, at Baylor and at Texas. Add in Kansas State and Kansas at home. Would it surprise anyone if we went 1-4. Not really. Would surprise anyone if we went 3-2. Not really. I'm guessing we are 4-5 after the first 9 games and then our schedule becomes very favorable. We should be favored in 7 of our final 9 games.
 

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Road wins are going to be extremely hard to get in this conference except maybe against WVU and OSU but even WVU beat Texas at home and OSU almost beat Baylor.
 
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