those that needed to, no. those that already know this, briefly yes.
WVU Eliminating Degree Programs-Future of Higher Ed
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CycloneErik
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I agree with this, but if someone really wants to, they can learn pretty much anything on Youtube for free.
True but academic institutions should be making the best effort to develop the best products (employable graduates in this case). Guided improvement rather than self-improvement is in their best interest.
I agree with this that those programs and classes exist. Like many on here my education was heavily focused on the sciences and I really enjoyed the “break” or at least different way of thinking that came with the liberal arts classes.
I would say though that there is a differences between taking those classes to become more well rounded/expose yourself to new ways of thinking vs taking out 80K in student loans for a degree in a field you can’t find a job in. Now years ago people got horrific advice that you could just get a degree in anything and be fine (almost similar to people being told getting a concussion in football was nothing to worry about) but anyone that goes to college now and spends that kind of money on a degree with no career path is just kneecapping themselves.
The finance major with an emphasis in economics part of me is always going to the cost benefit analysis. Risk - Reward. ROI.
That said, the marketing and sociology classes were absolutely the best classes I took in college. Completely got me thinking of the world in a different and more global way then scratching to live in a river town.
But some kind of interpretive dance major? Come on. I support the arts, but be ready for the starving artist lifestyle
Maybe not a great major but critical as a minor, IMO. How else is one going to communicate on a video conference meeting when their mic goes out? How!
I graduated from ISU in the early 2000s with $25,000 in student loan debt. Zero money from my parents. A couple small, like $2500, scholarships. This debt covered tuition AND 3 years room and board in the dorms prior to moving off campus. I feel sorry for those who are trying to get an education now. I can tell you, I would have not been able to do it in today’s state of higher education.
Which is the opposite of what is best for the student.
Any students in college now that get 0 help from their parents, if they aren’t very wealthy, go kick their ass. Parents of middle class and below income receive either a 2k or 2500 tax credit, not deduction but credit, for you for up to 4 years. Parents should pass that along.
Estimate what your food bill was for that kid and pay that, a couple grand helps big time. Right there is 1/4 the cost, tax credit and food bill, of college.
Estimate what your food bill was for that kid and pay that, a couple grand helps big time. Right there is 1/4 the cost, tax credit and food bill, of college.
They do, but I’m college students need to start researching and working on self improvement, not being hand held.
Guided improvement isn't hand-holding. It's directing the student to the pertinent material rather than just leaving it wide open to everything and anything. If college were unguided learning, the professors would just administer tests and literally do nothing else.
CycloneErik
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You're on a strange tangent here. University teaching involves teaching students how to research. There's a lot to that people don't just pick up when you leave them to the wolves.
You're somehow in a spot where teachers, counselors, and all aren't needed, students don't want to be in class and won't go, but they'll somehow just do the advanced work of researching without all that. The picture you're putting together doesn't make a lick of sense.
There are millions of hours of lectures from college professors available online on pretty much any topic.
I'm not talking about using Youtube to learn material you want to make a career out of. I'm talking about using Youtube to educate yourself on things outside of your career field for free rather than paying $10,000+ to learn the same things at a University.
I fully support self-improvement and Youtube is a great source. I use it all the time! Universities and graduates both directly benefit from a well-rounded education curriculum. Well-rounded graduates make better employees, on average, which improves both employability and retainability.
I preferred the research papers and projects. One I was told to go research/interview a company in Ag and give a detailed presentation on them. That was an example of the parts I liked best in college. We got many different styles of presentations about different companies (we had to say who we were doing so there wouldn’t be duplicates).
That builds self-improvement with extremely low guidance.
