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I really hope these are true. I'm still a bit jaded from the last Thor and Ant-Man movies. I'm optimistic, but I think I'll still going into this one with low expectations.
I have more faith in Gunn and his writers than I do with those other two groups though. He seems to at least have a vision and a track record of implementation of it.
 
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I really hope these are true. I'm still a bit jaded from the last Thor and Ant-Man movies. I'm optimistic, but I think I'll still going into this one with low expectations.

If I'm being honest they are getting a TON of leeway for Infinity War/Endgame right now. I like some of the phase 4 movies more than other people, but the list is: Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals, Spider-Man NWH, Doc Strange MoM, Thor: LT, Black Panther: WF, Quantumania.

That's 8 movies, only which I'd say 2 or 3 are even okay. I would say for the most part the TV shows have been mostly boring and I've stopped watching them, and after GotG 3 the slate is looking REALLY thin.

I know Gunn cares but I wonder how much he was even involved in this one considering his role at DC now. This really feels like the end of an era to me, like with westerns. We still get some good ones but the heyday is over.
 
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I really hope these are true. I'm still a bit jaded from the last Thor and Ant-Man movies. I'm optimistic, but I think I'll still going into this one with low expectations.

I hope they are true as well, but we've had a string of genre movies lately which have shown good initial social media reactions only to have later critic and audience reviews be much lower. Therefore, my stock in initial social media reactions is pretty low right now.
 
The one thing I've enjoyed about the GOTG is the variety of the characters and backstories. They are all generic in the tragedy sense, but that bond is also part of what makes the group endearing. The humor can get a little heavy-handed, but it's a good mix of quirky and dark.

#2 wasn't my favorite (the fight with Ego was a little weird for me), but there were still some really good moments. Yondu's funeral is still one of my favorite MCU scenes.
 
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If I'm being honest they are getting a TON of leeway for Infinity War/Endgame right now. I like some of the phase 4 movies more than other people, but the list is: Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals, Spider-Man NWH, Doc Strange MoM, Thor: LT, Black Panther: WF, Quantumania.

That's 8 movies, only which I'd say 2 or 3 are even okay. I would say for the most part the TV shows have been mostly boring and I've stopped watching them, and after GotG 3 the slate is looking REALLY thin.

I know Gunn cares but I wonder how much he was even involved in this one considering his role at DC now. This really feels like the end of an era to me, like with westerns. We still get some good ones but the heyday is over.
I disagree. I think three of them (NWH, BP:WF and Shang-Chi) are good, and the rest are varying degrees of okay. None of them are truly bad, IMO.

As for your second point, Gunn was only made head of DC in November. GOTG3 wrapped filming almost a year ago. That's not going to have any meaningful impact on the final product.
 
Do I need to see Ant-Man you think before I see GotG? I 'think' I am up to snuff on the rest of the current MCU.
 
Do I need to see Ant-Man you think before I see GotG? I 'think' I am up to snuff on the rest of the current MCU.
I wish there was a tie in somewhere, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate any of the movies in phase 4 or 5 are tied together other than the multiverse aspect. Even then, Thor: L&T had no multiverse aspect.

You’re probably OK to see GotG without Ant-Man. Just my opinion.
 
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I disagree. I think three of them (NWH, BP:WF and Shang-Chi) are good, and the rest are varying degrees of okay. None of them are truly bad, IMO.

As for your second point, Gunn was only made head of DC in November. GOTG3 wrapped filming almost a year ago. That's not going to have any meaningful impact on the final product.

I think Thor, Eternals, and Doctor Strange, and Quantumania are actually bad. Eternals I actually regret even watching. Ant Man I certainly regret spending money and time in the theater. NWH I would actually put as fully enjoyable, my theater going experience for that one was really great. BP was fine, but literally an hour too long. Shang-Chi was thoroughly enjoyable for the 1st hour then IMO quite bad for the last hour, so I can't even really call those movies good even if I had a good time with them.

If we're comparing them to action movies, we're past the heyday of Die Hard/T2/Speed and we're fully in Under Siege territory. I enjoyed Under Siege but when that's happening you sort of feel like it's the beginning of the end.
 
I wish there was a tie in somewhere, but I haven’t seen anything to indicate any of the movies in phase 4 or 5 are tied together other than the multiverse aspect. Even then, Thor: L&T had no multiverse aspect.

You’re probably OK to see GotG without Ant-Man. Just my opinion.

I agree. The biggest impact by far in Ant-Man Quantumania on the greater MCU is its broader introduction of Kang, which will likely be VERY important later on, but likely not for GOTG3. I don't think anybody is expecting Kang to make an appearance or even an outside impact in that movie, outside of maybe a post-credit sequence appearance.
 
If I'm being honest they are getting a TON of leeway for Infinity War/Endgame right now. I like some of the phase 4 movies more than other people, but the list is: Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals, Spider-Man NWH, Doc Strange MoM, Thor: LT, Black Panther: WF, Quantumania.

That's 8 movies, only which I'd say 2 or 3 are even okay. I would say for the most part the TV shows have been mostly boring and I've stopped watching them, and after GotG 3 the slate is looking REALLY thin.

I know Gunn cares but I wonder how much he was even involved in this one considering his role at DC now. This really feels like the end of an era to me, like with westerns. We still get some good ones but the heyday is over.
Quantumania is the first entry of Phase 5.

I think if there is something to be learned, it is how difficult MCU phases 1-3 were to pull off initially. Cinematic "worldbuilding" of that scale to finally reach the Endgame pay-off is not likely to be touched again.
 
Quantumania is the first entry of Phase 5.

I think if there is something to be learned, it is how difficult MCU phases 1-3 were to pull off initially. Cinematic "worldbuilding" of that scale to finally reach the Endgame pay-off is not likely to be touched again.
I personally don't think they should try it again. There were a few missteps along the way, but phases 1-3 were done really well. Immediately jumping back into another multi-storied saga is going to generate comparisons and unrealistic expectations. I'd rather they focus on really good stories and characters, and quit trying to shove copious amounts of content down our throats.

I wish they would have slow-played their releases after Endgame instead of doubling down on Disney +.
 
I personally don't think they should try it again. There were a few missteps along the way, but phases 1-3 were done really well. Immediately jumping back into another multi-storied saga is going to generate comparisons and unrealistic expectations. I'd rather they focus on really good stories and characters, and quit trying to shove copious amounts of content down our throats.

I wish they would have slow-played their releases after Endgame instead of doubling down on Disney +.

I'll admit i'm not fully caught up at this point, but I dont know that disney+ is the problem (hell, you could argue Eternals should have been a Disney+ series instead of a movie), as much as the execution. Particularly in the pacing of some of the Disney+ series.
 
I'll admit i'm not fully caught up at this point, but I dont know that disney+ is the problem (hell, you could argue Eternals should have been a Disney+ series instead of a movie), as much as the execution. Particularly in the pacing of some of the Disney+ series.
I've watched almost everything at this point. Speaking for myself, I set unrealistic expectations on the Disney + shows and it affected my overall enjoyment. I thought WandaVision and She Hulk were fun at times, but both suffered from consistency from one episode to the next. Moon Knight needed more Moon Knight. Loki had moments, but the multiverse isn't really my cup of tea so I didn't enjoy is as much as others. FatWS lacked flow (Covid after-effects) and Ms Marvel was fun at times, but it mostly felt like a Disney Jr show aimed at pre-teens.

I guess my point is that I could've used a breather after Endgame, but I ended up feeling the need to stay caught-up. I ended up watching a high volume of content that just wasn't as good, causing fatigue to set in.

Also, I'll be glad when everything doesn't have to be a damn trilogy.
 
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I personally don't think they should try it again. There were a few missteps along the way, but phases 1-3 were done really well. Immediately jumping back into another multi-storied saga is going to generate comparisons and unrealistic expectations. I'd rather they focus on really good stories and characters, and quit trying to shove copious amounts of content down our throats.

I wish they would have slow-played their releases after Endgame instead of doubling down on Disney +.
I agree they should have gone slower after end game. Start introducing some of the new heroes slowly so we can get to know them rather than just stuffing as many new heroes as quickly as they could. And have some tie ins but don't need to go directly to the next Thanos.

I think they've just tried to produce way too much content.
 
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I expected them to at least be as good as the Netflix shows but they weren’t.

I felt like they had the opposite problems.

The netflix shows were often too long and drawn out and could have cut a few episodes per season.

The disney+ shows generally could have used a few more episodes to flesh out things and generally felt like they were racing to close the threads they'd started.
 
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If I'm being honest they are getting a TON of leeway for Infinity War/Endgame right now. I like some of the phase 4 movies more than other people, but the list is: Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals, Spider-Man NWH, Doc Strange MoM, Thor: LT, Black Panther: WF, Quantumania.

That's 8 movies, only which I'd say 2 or 3 are even okay. I would say for the most part the TV shows have been mostly boring and I've stopped watching them, and after GotG 3 the slate is looking REALLY thin.

I know Gunn cares but I wonder how much he was even involved in this one considering his role at DC now. This really feels like the end of an era to me, like with westerns. We still get some good ones but the heyday is over.

Agree.

I feel like we're kind of bringing things to a close with hopefully another great GotG movie. The % of good to bad has taken a major nose dive, if you count the streaming series it's fallen off a cliff.
 
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