Caleb Grill has been dismissed from team

This is conjecture but it's possible that he was p'ing off his teammates with not only the untimely techs but things that have taken place off of the court as well. I've coached and believe me morale skyrockets when you let someone go who the other guys don't like, or maybe who was starting to get away with things while everyone else was following rules. And the technicals could have played a role. It could be that the issues that he has that led him to get the technicals manifested in other ways off the court which in turn p'od his teammates and coaches. And it was just time.
 
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TJ is all about the team. Team building in the off-season, team chemistry during the season. Playing for each other...
...Caleb must have been bucking that philosophy I'm guessing.
So unfortunate. I think his frustration (bad back, court frustration, etc.) turned into taking it out on his coach and teammates and it spiraled out of control. Sad. Please support the kid as he chose to come play here...twice!
(Obviously, it was something TJ felt he had to do to keep the team's respect of how they represent themselves as a teammate. Some think it will help the team in the long run but I worry about the play and attitude of Jaz now, too, as my assumption was they were good friends w/ Caleb's family taking him in. )
 
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So unfortunate. I think his frustration (bad back, court frustration, etc.) turned into taking it out on his coach and teammates and it spiraled out of control. Sad. Please support the kid as he chose to come play here...twice!
(Obviously, it was something TJ felt he had to do to keep the team's respect of how they represent themselves as a teammate. Some think it will help the team in the long run but I worry about the play and attitude of Jaz now, too, as my assumption was they were good friends w/ Caleb's family taking him in. )
Or Jaz plays for Caleb?
 
Yeah, I'm going to March Madness and will watch other games but the book is closed on this season as far as my interest goes in ISU basketball.

Ok. Make sure you hold yourself to that. If a college basketball team causes you that much anxiety then a) your life must be pretty awesome and b) just remember you offered to stop watching an NCAA tournament team.

But it might be good to seriously step away from something if it's so unhealthy.
 
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I'm not as close to the program as most of you, but Grill has been an integral part of what, at least, started out to be a pretty decent season. Why would Coach Otzelberger dismiss him for this somewhat understandable mental error on the court? Was there more behind the scenes that we never heard about. He seems to be leaving feeling good about his time on the team. Was it not mutual?
 
Part of me was thinking well maybe we can get hot in the tourney, but the offensive fire power is just not there after today’s events. The last month has been the death of 1000 cuts.
 
That our fans want to win at any cost and are willing to rationalize it. Nice job twisting my words.

Not twisting anything. I know what you were getting at. Kansas isn't " winning at all costs." They're just playing the game you have to play to win championships. Don't be naive either. Iowa State isn't squeaky clean, and they never have been. They're just not as good at the game as Kansas, Baylor etc.
 
So unfortunate. I think his frustration (bad back, court frustration, etc.) turned into taking it out on his coach and teammates and it spiraled out of control. Sad. Please support the kid as he chose to come play here...twice!
(Obviously, it was something TJ felt he had to do to keep the team's respect of how they represent themselves as a teammate. Some think it will help the team in the long run but I worry about the play and attitude of Jaz now, too, as my assumption was they were good friends w/ Caleb's family taking him in. )

You are exactly right in what happened. TJ was given no choice unfortunately
 
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No it’s not. You are misusing that phrase.

I can’t imagine why anyone would prefer to lose and have imaginary moral high ground over winning championships. Personally I’d rather ISU win championships.

Yeah all programs are dirty. Some more than others and ISU's best teams had plenty going on.

But in this case if a guy is torpedoing things or being a drag it may have been best for both parties to cut ties; in the present, ISU has some things to play for in their current state.
 
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Well s***... I love our team, the players that Coach Otzelberger brings in etc...
He's got 90+% of the players and scoring to replace for next year... let's just get there and move on.
We’ve got a great freshman class coming in. Need to add a couple good transfers, in particular shooting guard types. We do that, we’ll be good.