Watch his defensive rotations...multiple times when he has switched at the top of the key on a pick a guard has tried to switch back and he doesnt. Which ultimately leads to a wide open 3. Go back and watch the tape.
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I'm guessing the staff has told him to stay aggressive. The only "forced up" shots I can recall came as a result of an offensive rebound. Generally in the post he's not drawing a double team and often can make a decent move. He's just struggling to finish.
Again, why would TJ be playing someone who isn't doing what he's coached to do? Does TJ strike you as a guy that'd put up with that? TJ and his staff have forgotten more about basketball than anyone on here has ever known. All you experts on our defensive rotations and offensive strategy should apply next time they have an open assistance job. Kid plays hard and would appear to be accomplishing what TJ wants him to accomplish.
I'm not sure, but me thinks he has as many offensive fouls while setting picks as the rest to the team combined...
He does hustle a lot, but uncontrolled enthusiasm can be harmful and destroy momentum.
He does hustle a lot, but uncontrolled enthusiasm can be harmful and destroy momentum.
That last sentence is a massive reach. While some like to be miserable every Cyclone fan I know loves what TJ has done and wants him to succeed. I know I'm still appreciative of the level of success we are currently enjoying.
Someone asked in the thread something about Big Rob's shooting in Big 12 play I think. Just pulled up his game log and did the math:
FG 17-48 (.354)
FT 6-14 (.429)
Turnovers 15 in 10 games averaging 16.5 mpg in Big 12 play. With Jaz back maybe he cuts into his minutes some as well as King too because as long as Kalscheur, Holmes, and Grill are healthy and not in foul trouble those 3 need to be on the floor as much a possible. I like Big Rob in small stretches but if he is going to take 5+ shots in 16+ minutes of play like he has in 6 of the 10 Big 12 games so far he's gotta hit more of those bunnies or pass out of the post better when he is too far under the hoop or doubled up. We're already offensively challenged at times that we can't come up empty on so many possessions when we are getting shots right under the basket like that.
Not trying to pile on Rob, love his effort out there but these are just stats that show he's struggled to score. Still going to need him in there when we play teams with big guys that are giving us matchup issues or foul problems with our bigs but feel like we get more rebounding and scoring potential with Jaz or King playing more minutes.
FG 17-48 (.354)
FT 6-14 (.429)
Turnovers 15 in 10 games averaging 16.5 mpg in Big 12 play. With Jaz back maybe he cuts into his minutes some as well as King too because as long as Kalscheur, Holmes, and Grill are healthy and not in foul trouble those 3 need to be on the floor as much a possible. I like Big Rob in small stretches but if he is going to take 5+ shots in 16+ minutes of play like he has in 6 of the 10 Big 12 games so far he's gotta hit more of those bunnies or pass out of the post better when he is too far under the hoop or doubled up. We're already offensively challenged at times that we can't come up empty on so many possessions when we are getting shots right under the basket like that.
Not trying to pile on Rob, love his effort out there but these are just stats that show he's struggled to score. Still going to need him in there when we play teams with big guys that are giving us matchup issues or foul problems with our bigs but feel like we get more rebounding and scoring potential with Jaz or King playing more minutes.
He did that a lot in Nov/Dec, but he has really stopped doing that the past month or so. Osun too. Bob used to hammer guys, and Osun was always shoving a hip out. Must have been worked on because both much better about it lately.
This is a very accurate assessment.
For all of the Defenders crying about my criticism of his minutes I did not start this ridiculous thread but feel compelled to point out the blatant inaccuracies and ensuing retorts that don't address my points. Like at all.
The above two posters have summarized the reasons why BRE is not an effective player, nor deserving of his minutes. He is shooting 46% on the year yet close to 37% in Big 12 play, despite taking an overwhelming majority of shots (if not all of them) in high percentage shooting areas. This means BRE has seen a 15% (guestimate) disparity which is gargantuan.
Why is that? It's because he lacks the athleticism/skills to be consistently successful against Big 12 competition. Teams have learned to exploit him when he's on the floor at both ends of the court. When he misses shots they arent't even 'almosts', they are often not even close to going in. We are talking bunnies and layups here and that's pretty hard to do.
It's not BRE's fault, nor have I ever suggested such. But it's clear there is something preventing the coaching staff from evaluating his performance objectively, as a player with such struggles should not be getting (close) to 15-20 minutes a game. It won't be the first time, or the last time a coach rewards a player with playing time for endearment. I just can't think of a more obvious case of a player getting minutes that was both underserved (and the key word) more unecessary.
That's what makes this thread preposterous. There is nothing here to defend. If people were questioning his effort I'd get the vitriol, but we're not. The performance(s) just aren't there.
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No doubt. No coach I have ever met will tell someone not to shoot a layup, which is what Bob does. So I don’t doubt TJ is telling him to shoot layups. Bob, just for whatever reason, can’t make them at anywhere near respectable clip.
The bolded is one of the more astonishingly dumb things I've read on a message board. TJ has dozens of staff between his assistants, GAs, etc. They have the benefit of watching practice, watching games, evaluating tape, analyzing stats, etc. TJ is by all accounts one of the most hyper competitive people out there. He's not playing Rob because he feels bad for him. He's playing him because he, as the person with the most possible information about what makes this team successful, feels he deserves them.
This **** just amazes me. Some joker behind a keyboard watches a game on ESPN+ and thinks he knows how minutes should be divided over a coaching staff that devotes dozens and dozens and dozens of hours to making this team as successful as possible.
If you really want to be riled up about a personal agenda leading to players getting undeserved minutes, go follow a team out East. Because TJ and his staff are about winning and there's no subjectivity involved here.
He either doesn't or can't. If he IS going to play (which is probably the answe...sadly) we need to hedge those screens a lot harder as we know we will get burned on the switch. I have also noticed, as a team, we have not been as consistent or as successful with switch backs, especially on the backside as the ball rotates around the arc. It felt like earlier in Big 12 play we were able to switch out of some of the mismatches if/when they weren't immediately exploited. Then again our consistent quality of comp is elevated and I think teams (in general) have tried to exploit those immediately.
I was surprised, if not shocked, at how poorly KU attacked us, especially on our switches/Bob. It was as if their staff hadn't bothered to watch film of our recent games. They not only failed to exploit this but they also didnt make Lipsey show he can overcome his struggles. No ball pressure up the floor and once there they extended defense to him out to the arc. Not sure what Self was thinking.
Hmmm. So are you trying to say someone who shoots 37 %, missing bunnies and layups, from an ample sample size of conference games, objectively deserves 15-20 minutes? Also one that is exploitable defensively?
What I think you really take issue with is the fact that a message board poster couldn't POSSIBLY have a valid point, on one particular subject, over a staff that does this for a living? Perish the thought.
Human error is pervasive snd that includes college coaches (who are human) as well as myself. Remember when Scott Drew used to take ridiculous timeouts, often when his team was in a middle of a run? I remember a game (several years back) when Baylor was playing Kentucky. Baylor was in the midst of an 8 to 10 point run, playing great basketball and carrying all the momentum. Inexplicably Drew calls a timeout, to the shock and dismay of the announcers (and myself). Kentucky came out of that timeout and mounted a run of their own. It was a senseless TO and a type Drew used to call all the time. At some point he either wisened uop to the stupidity or someone he respected got him to change tactics as he hasn't called similar TOs in 5 years.
Maybe TJ thinks BRE can do something he just isn't. Maybe they love his work ethic. At the end of the day, minutes should be justified by on court performance. Statically, visually, and objectively that isn't there. Unsurprisingly you didnt try to discredit that. Then again nobody has.
I look forward to the ZRF game posts, o Lord and Master. I will give them all of the attention they will so richly deserve.
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This is day 3 of your rants about our backup center after we just beat Kansas(which we hadn't done in 7 games) and after he played arguably his best game since early January.
I agree with some of your points, I was all-in on him early in the year but he's struggled in Big 12 play.
That being said, might be time to seek help for OCD, this is a weird subject matter and even weirder timing to be that obsessed with one player.
Not only are TJ and staff idiots, now you have added Self and staff as idiots too. I wonder who the real idiot is?
That ku vs ISU game was the worst coaching job I’ve ever seen out of Bill Self.
The fact is Jones needs to know his limitations on offense, he’s not going to beat people down low in the big 12 unless there’s a miss match. The possession doesn’t need to end when he get the ball, he has to look to pass when he’s doubled. He can play as hard as he wants on defense, but if he can’t help us on offense, he shouldn’t get the ball.
I am sure Jones is doing what the coaches want him to do. They are definitely putting an emphasis on paint touches and it is working. Just taking shots in the post leads to positive outcomes like fouls and easy putbacks around the rim even if the shot is missed. Do you guys honestly think Jones isn't doing what the staff wants out of him? Remember, he's got guys feeding him the ball in the post. He can't magically take the ball from his teammates.
I agree 100%. If Jones is doing all these terrible things, TJ will eliminate his minutes.
What everyone who posts about Rob only getting minutes when we have foul trouble fails to think about is that Rob is a poor free throw shooter. He needs to get minutes before there is foul trouble. If he isn't playing most of the game and then is forced into action at crunch time we will see Hack a Shaq with Rob going to the line and only making half of them or worse. He needs to generally get his minutes when Hack a Shaq is not a viable option to keep Shoon out of foul trouble.
To compound this, if Shoon is playing extended minutes the chances of getting into foul trouble is doubly likely because not only is he on the floor longer but he is getting more tired and tired players tend to make mistakes and get silly fouls. This is especially true in the post where you spend the whole game dealing with the kind of leaning, pushing, and bumping that would be whistled as a foul anywhere else on the floor. I don't care how tall you are, having a 250 lb. guy pushing you for 40 minutes is going to wear you out.
It is important for Shoon to have regular blows so he can stay fresh. And it is even better if when Shoon is sitting there is a physical presence in there that is taxing the stamina of the opponent's bigs. Rob delivers the body blows so Osun can land the knockout.
To compound this, if Shoon is playing extended minutes the chances of getting into foul trouble is doubly likely because not only is he on the floor longer but he is getting more tired and tired players tend to make mistakes and get silly fouls. This is especially true in the post where you spend the whole game dealing with the kind of leaning, pushing, and bumping that would be whistled as a foul anywhere else on the floor. I don't care how tall you are, having a 250 lb. guy pushing you for 40 minutes is going to wear you out.
It is important for Shoon to have regular blows so he can stay fresh. And it is even better if when Shoon is sitting there is a physical presence in there that is taxing the stamina of the opponent's bigs. Rob delivers the body blows so Osun can land the knockout.
...collaberate and listen
I also didn't check all the pages but I'm really disappointed if nobody referenced Vanilla Ice until this thread got to be this long.
