Campbell Still in Demand?

Stormin

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Campbell will leave to a school that has a big NIL fund

Campbell will leave when the fans get to make decisions concerning his staff. Campbell has to consider how all the coaches fit and work together. These guys are together long hours. Philosophies similar since there is longevity in the coaching relationships. Which only makes sense. Any moves will be made after the season is over. Campbell will not throw players or coaches under the bus. And Campbell will make his own decisions concerning coaches.
 

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Fans are so stupid. One only has to listen to Campbell speak occasionally to know 90% of what he says is to the benefit of his players. I wouldn’t call it coach speak is much as players first speak.

The comment last year didn’t mean he didn’t want a conference championship. And it didn’t mean that isn’t his goal. It was to protect his players. He didn’t want THEM to feel like it be perceived as failures. He also didn’t want them to pack it in and give up.


And if you’d like another example of this, listen to the coach’s radio show from this week. He talked a lot about Anthony Johnson and Vance and how their value isn’t defined by football results.
 

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And if you’d like another example of this, listen to the coach’s radio show from this week. He talked a lot about Anthony Johnson and Vance and how their value isn’t defined by football results.

He talks quite a bit about how results don't matter.... not concerned about winning. Just turning young men into grown productive adults. Which is awesome...... if you're the team's counselor/psychologist.... but not the greatest thing if you're the head coach.

A head coach should definitely care about the well being of his players on and off the field, no doubt, but the fans will not come to games and support the program if you are not winning games..... pretty simple.
 

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He talks quite a bit about how results don't matter.... not concerned about winning. Just turning young men into grown productive adults. Which is awesome...... if you're the team's counselor/psychologist.... but not the greatest thing if you're the head coach.

A head coach should definitely care about the well being of his players on and off the field, no doubt, but the fans will not come to games and support the program if you are not winning games..... pretty simple.

Turning young men into grown productive adults. That is absolutely the greatest thing if you are a head coach.

Honor Before Victory. We need more of it. Not less. Campbell will return us to success. Character counts. At least to some of us.
 

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He talks quite a bit about how results don't matter.... not concerned about winning. Just turning young men into grown productive adults. Which is awesome...... if you're the team's counselor/psychologist.... but not the greatest thing if you're the head coach.

A head coach should definitely care about the well being of his players on and off the field, no doubt, but the fans will not come to games and support the program if you are not winning games..... pretty simple.


1. That’s what he talks about publicly as I’ve said.

2. The reasons why he does that are obvious.

3. Any one that believes he doesn’t care about results is stupid. (And he talks repeatedly that results matter.)

As I’ve said before, his comments should be viewed through a lense of someone who cares desperately for his players and doesn’t want them to give up.

Fans are not owed every thought a coach has.
 

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He talks quite a bit about how results don't matter.... not concerned about winning. Just turning young men into grown productive adults. Which is awesome...... if you're the team's counselor/psychologist.... but not the greatest thing if you're the head coach.

A head coach should definitely care about the well being of his players on and off the field, no doubt, but the fans will not come to games and support the program if you are not winning games..... pretty simple.
I wouldn't say that is true. It's more like he said it is wrong to focus more on the results than the process. It's a simple, sound perspective. You control what you do and your own execution. The result has a lot of variables that each player, as an individual doesn't control.
 

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And if you’d like another example of this, listen to the coach’s radio show from this week. He talked a lot about Anthony Johnson and Vance and how their value isn’t defined by football results.


That's all good......but then why the 6-6 is for loser's if he doesn't think things should be defined by football results?

I don't think anyone is doubting the value of the players outside of football. Him developing young men I don't think has ever been questioned. His results on the field as of late have.

So he needs to stop muddying one with the other because it just makes him look like he has read one too many Tony Robbins self help books.
 

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That's all good......but then why the 6-6 is for loser's if he doesn't think things should be defined by football results?

I don't think anyone is doubting the value of the players outside of football. Him developing young men I don't think has ever been questioned. His results on the field as of late have.

So he needs to stop muddying one with the other because it just makes him look like he has read one too many Tony Robbins self help books.

The 6-6 is for losers line was said in the locker room not in a press conference. It was never a line intended for fans. It was caught on camera after the 2017 TCU game.

WHAT HE TELLS THE FANS IS NOT WHAT HE TELLS THE TEAM OR REALLY THINKS.
 
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I have to agree with this one. We beat up Iowa pretty badly other than on the scoresheet. Take away that awful first punt and Iowa wouldn't have gotten a single point. Endzone pick was horrific as well. You could also add on Rus hitting Brock on the endzone fumble. This should've been a 24-0 win at least.
Yes and playing the “could have should have game” so many games would be different. Every play and every moment matters.

Nebraska should have buried the 2009 Rhoads team in Lincoln by at least 28 and would have with 4 fewer turnovers. They didn’t and earned that 9-7 loss.
 

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That's all good......but then why the 6-6 is for loser's if he doesn't think things should be defined by football results?

I don't think anyone is doubting the value of the players outside of football. Him developing young men I don't think has ever been questioned. His results on the field as of late have.

So he needs to stop muddying one with the other because it just makes him look like he has read one too many Tony Robbins self help books.

You make Cyclone fans look like crybabies. Worry about making us look like Hawk and Husker fans. That’s something you have control over.
 

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Turning young men into grown productive adults. That is absolutely the greatest thing if you are a head coach.

Honor Before Victory. We need more of it. Not less. Campbell will return us to success. Character counts. At least to some of us.

Character AND results are what is needed. I'm not saying character is not important.

I'd rather have the character without the results than have the results but no character for sure. But to keep your job and keep the program afloat.... you need both.
 

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Character AND results are what is needed. I'm not saying character is not important.

I'd rather have the character without the results than have the results but no character for sure. But to keep your job and keep the program afloat.... you need both.

Chill. See how the season plays out. As fans, one thing we can control is support for the team. Players and Coaches are the ones who determine the outcomes. We are a team that is learning. They really need some fan support at this time. And it shows recruits out there that we are loyal. At all times. Let’s allow the process to unfold.
 
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Chill. See how the season plays out. As fans, one thing we can control is support for the team. Players and Coaches are the ones who determine the outcomes. We are a team that is learning. They really need some fan support at this time. And it shows recruits out there that we are loyal. At all times. Let’s allow the process to unfold.

This is an ISU fan site.... talking about "what if" scenarios is basically what we do on here.

What if we win the rest of our games? Then what?

What if we lose the rest of our games? Then what?

It's what we talk about. It would be pretty boring to just praise everything no matter what.... and not be critical at all.
 
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Turning young men into grown productive adults. That is absolutely the greatest thing if you are a head coach.

Honor Before Victory. We need more of it. Not less. Campbell will return us to success. Character counts. At least to some of us.
Character combined with annual 6-6 results will lead to a broke AD. It needs to be combined with winning.
 

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Character combined with annual 6-6 results will lead to a broke AD. It needs to be combined with winning.

Generally agree..... but 6-6 would mean a crappy bowl every year... I think a lot of fans are fine with that.... they would say that it beats not going to a bowl.

I think anything less than 6 wins a year would definitely lead to a broke AD though.
 
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Let's see how tomorrow goes.

If they get creative and win, nice!

If they try the absolute same stuff they've done all season?

Well, that means we have a real big problem on our hands.

The low standard so many have because of ISU's past history is worrisome. Cyclone fans still deserve a winner, and to watch entertaining football.