2022 NCAA FB Coaching Carousel

[Jer]

One thing it helps with is creating a search firm/party and getting the wheels ready as season ends. But, that only takes maybe 2-3 weeks so a couple months out is a bit extreme.

They can reach out to agents and such, but no coaching HC or coordinator is going to talk during their seasons. Could help get a jump on a non-coaching candidate like CP or Urban though.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Firing the coach this early in the season, allows the AD to get everything lined up for the new hire. While they cannot talk to the coach, they can talk to his agent, to gauge if that coach would be interested in job.
In both cases, Nebraska and ASU, the coaches were given a chance to turn it around, and when it did not happen, they were let go.

 

[BDAL23]

ASU has been called a sleeping giant for years. Going on 20 years. It’s comical really. Even with the increasing amount of high school talent in Arizona they struggle. The amount of top QB’s who have come out of Arizona and continue to go out of state is a big problem

Who is going to want to coach there with sanctions still being investigated?

 

[JP4CY]

Firing a coach this early is because a big dog booster has seen enough and told the AD to do it because the buyout will be covered.

Also, gotta imagine the Auburn coach is gonna be gone soon.

 

[Acylum]

Gotta think Brain is on a lot of short lists with the numbers his offense is putting up.

 

[deadeyededric]

ASU has been called a sleeping giant for years. Going on 20 years. It’s comical really. Even with the increasing amount of high school talent in Arizona they struggle. The amount of top QB’s who have come out of Arizona and continue to go out of state is a big problem

Who is going to want to coach there with sanctions still being investigated?

They always make bad hires. John Cooper was good and left, Bruce Snyder almost won a NC there in '97, and they've been mediocre since.

 

[VeloClone]

The only way the Frost & Edwards firings make sense in September is if they are creating a toxic or disruptive environment. The additional caveat for Herm is if more information has come to light regarding recruiting violations during his tenure.

Even with Frost, the Huskers were 1-2. What would it have hurt to allow him to coach 3-4 more games? IMO the players come first- what is the best move for them to have success in the current season?

I understand why schools aren't waiting until November. With the early signing date and transfer market- it's critical for a struggling program's new coach to win December.

The early firings could also make sense if schools like NU & ASU want to target someone who is not coaching this season- like an Urban Meyer or Chris Petersen.

It wouldn't have even required that many games. He could coach when OU came to town and then Indiana and his buyout would already be reduced for the post game firing. I don't think anyone would have complained if he got fired after blowing out Indiana. Everyone in Husker nation knew what the score was.

 

[isucy86]

It wouldn't have even required that many games. He could coach when OU came to town and then Indiana and his buyout would already be reduced for the post game firing. I don't think anyone would have complained if he got fired after blowing out Indiana. Everyone in Husker nation knew what the score was.

His firing could have already been decided based on off-field stuff.

But my point is, when is the season OVER after 3 games? Do I think he was going to turn it around! No. But he should have been head coach until winning 6 or 7 games was mathematically impossible

Goes both ways. There are a lot of 3-0 teams right now that won't win 6 games. Success in sport is based on the next game.

 

[RonBurgundy]

Its becoming more common but its still dumb as ****. It doesn't help anything.

I understand doing it in early november or something if you want to get a head start on hiring, recruiting, etc. But september is silly and means you ****** up last year.

It is really not that productive. USC fired Helton on Sept 13, but didn't get Lincoln Riley until after the year was over. No current coach is going to crap on their team and leave early, so your "search" is a nothing burger unless you are targeting someone not active right now. Nebraska was even more stupid paying an extra $7.5 million.

 

[CyJack13]

It is really not that productive. USC fired Helton on Sept 13, but didn't get Lincoln Riley until after the year was over. No current coach is going to crap on their team and leave early, so your "search" is a nothing burger unless you are targeting someone not active right now. Nebraska was even more stupid paying an extra $7.5 million.

I don't know if that really proves your point or not, USC fired Helton in Sep, LSU fired Orgeron in mid Oct and both pulled off big time coaching hires. Did firing their coaches early allow for extra time for the back channel conversations needed to pry Kelly and Riley?

 

[tmi9724]

Frost makes sense to keep around if were just waiting for the buyout to drop, what they did makes no sense at all. Should have just cut him loose last year and ripped the band aid off. I'm not sure they could've handled it any worse.

Alberts wanted to axe Frost after last season but the NU boosters clamored for another year. Safe to say the GA Southern loss was so humiliating that boosters (or a booster) picked up the the additional $7.5M to do it the following day.

 

[Drew0311]

ASU has been called a sleeping giant for years. Going on 20 years. It’s comical really. Even with the increasing amount of high school talent in Arizona they struggle. The amount of top QB’s who have come out of Arizona and continue to go out of state is a big problem

Who is going to want to coach there with sanctions still being investigated?

I went to Arizona State and nobody cares. To much stuff to do around Tempe and Arizona in general. Plus, the Cardinals are now thing. Back when I went to school nobody cared about them either. It's basically a great job for a coach to go to and do decent, get fired, and live the rest of your life down there with a pocket full of money

 

[isucy86]

I went to Arizona State and nobody cares. To much stuff to do around Tempe and Arizona in general. Plus, the Cardinals are now thing. Back when I went to school nobody cared about them either. It's basically a great job for a coach to go to and do decent, get fired, and live the rest of your life down there with a pocket full of money

A coach who wins, would change that. We saw that at USC under Pete Carroll. Sure USC has a much better tradition than ASU, but if they hire the right guy- Phoenix residents & ASU alumni will jump on board. Everyone loves a big time winner.

ASU doesn't have the money of Big10 or SEC teams- but they should be able to attract a solid coach. Take the Lute Olson approach. Hire a coach who is looking for that last job and wanting to retire to a warm climate. Would Gundy be interested? Or Pat Fitzgerald? Why not Kirk Ferentz- he might have 5-7 good years left. Phoenix might be a good spot for Urban Meyer as well. Winter in Phoenix is better than Lincoln!

 

[deadeyededric]

I went to Arizona State and nobody cares. To much stuff to do around Tempe and Arizona in general. Plus, the Cardinals are now thing. Back when I went to school nobody cared about them either. It's basically a great job for a coach to go to and do decent, get fired, and live the rest of your life down there with a pocket full of money

I wonder what they'd have done had John Cooper stuck around?

 

[Drew0311]

I wonder what they'd have done had John Cooper stuck around?

ASU has tried everything with both sports it feels like. Basketball Tried Bill Frieder back when I was in school. That didn't work. They tried Cooper, Herm Edwards. It's like someone else said, they might just have to go sketchy guy like Urban or Chizik. One of those guys that is willing to cheat long enough to get good, then play dumb when they get caught.

 

[RonBurgundy]

ASU has tried everything with both sports it feels like. Basketball Tried Bill Frieder back when I was in school. That didn't work. They tried Cooper, Herm Edwards. It's like someone else said, they might just have to go sketchy guy like Urban or Chizik. One of those guys that is willing to cheat long enough to get good, then play dumb when they get caught.

Umm, Herm Edwards is already under investigation for cheating. Sucks when you cheat and you still suck. Reminiscent of ISU finding a way to still be bad while breaking serious, serious, serious rules like buying someone a cheeseburger.

 

[heitclone]

Realignment could really change how the Arizona schools recruit. They lean pretty on Cali and could lose presence in SoCal all together. That might not have a huge impact on a head coach but definitely would impact the rest of the staff.

Patterson and his deep Texas roots might be a pretty good fit for a program reinventing itself.

 

[EnkAMania]

Umm, Herm Edwards is already under investigation for cheating. Sucks when you cheat and you still suck. Reminiscent of ISU finding a way to still be bad while breaking serious, serious, serious rules like buying someone a cheeseburger.

I believe the term is Crinering.

 

[CloneAlta]

ASU has been called a sleeping giant for years. Going on 20 years. It’s comical really. Even with the increasing amount of high school talent in Arizona they struggle. The amount of top QB’s who have come out of Arizona and continue to go out of state is a big problem

Who is going to want to coach there with sanctions still being investigated?

Wasn’t the only time that sleeping giant awakened us when John Cooper was HC?

 

[deadeyededric]

Wasn’t the only time that sleeping giant awakened us when John Cooper was HC?

They almost won the national championship in'97 against John Cooper in the Rose Bowl. Bruce Snyder had a hell of a team. They had Jake Plummer, Pat Tillman, the DE Rodgers, etc... Couldn't stop OSU's final drive. Went 11-1