Which means if something happens, we end up with something we perceive as favorable to us also. I know why you are trying to bash this and it's pretty obvious.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I think the PAC may not even know concrete numbers. You have UO trying to whoar themselves to either P2 right now so they won't commit to anything that doesn't favor them. Washington may be in the same boat. A couple four corners probably want to know so they can look at whether PAC or Big 12 is better, a couple four corners seem to think they are too good for the Big 12 and have the PAC arrogance of just riding this out and the PAC will poach big 12 and move on. I'm guessing the media realized the PAC is a mess and want the big 12 to swallow a couple and forget about the rest.
It is also a way to trim some dead weight. This is most likely good for the big 12.
I agree. I think this is a brilliant move because then the big12 can turn to the Pac members they want to target with real numbers that can show the revenue increase. Also if this is a true extension that can only be a good thing as it is unlikely the numbers would got down proving your point that the new deal will pick up where this one left of even without OUT.
As much as everyone on here likes to dog on this guy, it is interesting to look back at this. Note the date.
I continue to believe this is fools gold. It will be held up as a near term win for the big 12 when our reported media deal $$ are propped up by essentially ESPN funding the OuT buyout. I suspect it will be something like a 5 or 7 year extension (relatively short term), and at the end of that term the Big 10 and SEC will break away from NCAA and relegate us to a "division 2". We will have to accept this deal, because I don't think we have any other good options for tier 1 and tier 2... and the $$'s will LOOK good on the surface.
Maybe. It depends on how many teams break away. If it is the entire SEC and B1G, and they have like 48 schools, and then a rump of 20 schools are left in "division 2" then yes that is very bad.
But if it is just the blue blood brands that break away, maybe 24-32 schools, then the "division 2" would have 40ish schools, and the whole thing would look/feel more like "nfl-lite" vs "college football". And that would be OK.
Don't hang yourself in the closet just yet.
I think it is more likely he made 200 predictions, and one of them turned out to be right.
This is the equivalent of saying Spencer Petras is an interesting quarterback because he completed one of his passes during one of his games.
My brain is pretty fried as well, but my gut tells me that ESPN and Fox don't want to deal with the PAC and Big 12 separately. I feel like this is a push to get more realignment going and narrow it down to 4 major conferences. If they can get a combination of the PAC and Big 12 into one conference, even if they pay a little more to a combination PAC/Big 12, it will save them money in the long run of paying the Big 12/PAC separately.
I'm hoping this is a push to get the schools in the PAC to **** or get off the pot. I wouldn't be surprised, even though they are driving all of this, if the networks aren't getting a bit burned out from realignment as well. I would think they'd want to get some stuff settled now and hopefully save a few bucks doing it.
You have a point, which is better paying 2 conferences 300M each. Or 1 conference 500M, with the schools/games you want if you are in their position.
The PAC 12 is hanging on by a thread, with its two biggest programs obviously wanting out, and I suppose it depends on the network goals. Do they want to destabilize it so that those programs go, or do they want to save it for now because they don't have immediate interest in adding those schools to the Big 10?
Fox wants to own the PAC schools that offer value, this gets them there. ESPN wants OUT in the SEC, this gets them there.
What will be interesting is if a 3rd party gets introduced, CBS, NBC, Amazon, etc etc.
Also, I feel terrible for Wazzou and OSU. They are going to be left out in the cold.
What will be interesting is if a 3rd party gets introduced, CBS, NBC, Amazon, etc etc.
Also, I feel terrible for Wazzou and OSU. They are going to be left out in the cold.
I would have much preferred a total reorganization of the power conferences that provided balance, made geographic sense, and made the whole sport better, but there are just way too many competing interests to let something like that happen.
Why am I trying to bash this? Someone asked why they would want to negotiate early, I gave my opinion.
Not saying you're wrong, but why fret about what may or may not happen a decade from now? A lot can change between now and then.
I'm just gonna take the win, enjoy the next few years, and worry about the rest then. I just don't understand this negative reaction to what should be good news.
I agree regarding Wazzu and OSU.
But objectively speaking, they are much closer to a mid major profile than we are. Jack Trice is the size of their stadiums COMBINED, I believe.
Why the negative reaction: Because when you apply critical thinking and forward looking skills, combined with a search for disconfirming evidence to the warm cozy feeling you get by this news, you will come to the realization that these moves are not for the benefit of the big 12 and ISU, they will not be a true indication of the markets interest and assigned value to our league, but are to accomplish other goals by the media partners. Thus, this is not in fact “good news” as most people have said.
Hey, all of this is clearly my opinion, feel free to disagree, I enjoy discussion on the topic, that’s what message boards are for I think.
I love the idea of using the OU/UT to the SEC early card to strengthen our bargaining power and further destabilize the PAC. That card is stronger than anything the PAC has.
Wazzu and Oregon State will fit perfectly in the MW conference and make that a more fun conference to watch. I'll watch Big XII first and then MW and that's it - no Big and no SEC.
