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Here's how a Tesla Model S holds up after 400,000 miles in 3 years
Tesla’s vehicles are becoming increasingly popular with taxi and shuttle services, which are pushing their vehicles a lot over short periods...
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I saw on this article a few years ago, the Tesla battery had to be replaced twice to get to 400,000 miles (which out of warranty basically totals the car IMO until they can get the battery replacement costs down significantly).
Positive side is the electricity should be cheaper than gas (so maybe you can factor-in battery replacement costs compared to fuel savings).
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My phone battery typically lasts around 4 years so I'm expecting EV batteries to not last much longer than that. As we progress further along with this technology, I'm sure my expectations will change.
I’m doubting they come down much. I put in solar panels and was told many are like me and are waiting on the price to come down some before we buy them for storage at the solar panels.Here's how a Tesla Model S holds up after 400,000 miles in 3 years
Tesla’s vehicles are becoming increasingly popular with taxi and shuttle services, which are pushing their vehicles a lot over short periods...
I saw on this article a few years ago, the Tesla battery had to be replaced twice to get to 400,000 miles (which out of warranty basically totals the car IMO until they can get the battery replacement costs down significantly).
Positive side is the electricity should be cheaper than gas.
What I don't see in that article is battery replacement costs, From what I've read elsewhere it's about $15k on the high end. That doesn't seem to jive with it "basically totaling the car" though. Then again I haven't looked real hard at used Tesla prices either to see if a Model S would depreciate in value that much.Here's how a Tesla Model S holds up after 400,000 miles in 3 years
Tesla’s vehicles are becoming increasingly popular with taxi and shuttle services, which are pushing their vehicles a lot over short periods...
I saw on this article a few years ago, the Tesla battery had to be replaced twice to get to 400,000 miles (which out of warranty basically totals the car IMO until they can get the battery replacement costs down significantly).
Positive side is the electricity should be cheaper than gas.
The first replacement came when the battery pack was down about 6% after almost 200,000 miles which is pretty close to being in line what what I'm reading. I know Tesla told them to replace it but if you had that car and your range was down 25 miles from new would you really change that out?
Like somebody else said we're still in a Beta test with EV's right now so we'll learn more about them over the next couple years. I would also expect the software to get better on both the vehicle and charger side to extend that life of the batteries.
I've read $20k for the battery replacement, and I think most manufacturers give you an 8 year warranty.
So with the Model 3 being probably one of the first high-production EVs on the road (with production ramping up probably ~2018), none of the current vehicles are out-of-warranty regarding the battery. Once we hit the 8 year mark for a decent number of vehicles, we'll have more concrete details on the replacement cost.
But if it does cost like $20k for a battery replacement on an 8+ year-old vehicle, buying a new one might be more tempting.
I'm sure a market of refurbishing battery packs or replacing dead cells will emerge which might help with the cost here too (i.e. a Tesla gets in a crash at 20k miles and you replace your bad cells with the good ones from the wrecked vehicle).
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These are 2 very different kinds of batteries.
They finally realized that they can build a car with 2/3 of the parts and labor and still charge the same if not more.
Also, they are never going back to pre-covid inventory levels. That was an amazing lesson for them in supply an demand. It will definitely get a little better, because they need sales, but the days of every color and option on the lot or a overflow lot are ancient history.
Reminds me of how airplanes would typically be half empty in 90s vs now.
Yeah I am about $10,000 in maintenance costs in the last 10 years on a Honda Pilot. So the battery thing at 200,000+ miles does not really worry me, in the end it will be cheaper than a Honda.
Some of the posters here have some pretty high maintenance costs.
Yeah in theory they should be cheaper to repair because of an EV needing fewer and less complicated parts, but you're still going to run into issues with bearings going out, more frequent tire replacements (due to vehicle weight + instant torque), and (unnecessary imo) electronics failure (i.e. electronic door handles which provide minimal drag improvements but increased complexity).
I think you might have to flush the battery coolant or something too.
So I'm not sure how much all that adds up to. I think Tesla tries to lock out non-affiliated mechanics from making repairs, so they might be charging a higher margin.
I think people who nerd out about EVs know these things but average Joe with "range anxiety" and "battery anxiety" doesn't even realize there are a ton of potential parts and service costs exclusive to ICE driving that go away. Someone just suggested oil changes were the only parts and maintenance difference outside of the battery...having replaced several catalytic converters, it's hard for me to forget. I've been lucky on transmissions.
Worst case scenario is when people don't even realize the difference in fuel cost.
I think ultimately it will be (or should be) cheaper once broader adoption is achieved and the kinks are ironed out.
ICE engines and car designs are incredibly complex right now due to emissions requirements.
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If you drive it every day and charge every night - that would roughly 10 years, wouldn't it?
Rough thinking for a heavy user...
- 52 weeks per year
- 5 days driving per week
- 80 miles per day
= ~20,000 per year
= 200,000 miles per life of battery
(Yes, you can nit pick these numbers)
Here's how a Tesla Model S holds up after 400,000 miles in 3 years
Tesla’s vehicles are becoming increasingly popular with taxi and shuttle services, which are pushing their vehicles a lot over short periods...
I saw on this article a few years ago, the Tesla battery had to be replaced twice to get to 400,000 miles (which out of warranty basically totals the car IMO until they can get the battery replacement costs down significantly).
Positive side is the electricity should be cheaper than gas (so maybe you can factor-in battery replacement costs compared to fuel savings).
Interesting article...do cab companies drive their ICE vehicles up to 400K?
My last two ICE cars became total money pits around 130k so I could only imagine 400k.
As an environmentalist, it would be awesome if the goal became to get every model to 400-500k by swapping out a recyclable battery once or twice rather than replacing the entire car every 150k-200k miles. I think I'm a unique consumer in that my ultimate car is one that lasts for ever, I think most people somehow enjoy paying for something new every few years.
I know the reasons people don’t lease and fully agree with their opinions. However, all of this is exactly why I will probably always lease our vehicles since we switched to that model 10 years ago. More in the long run and no equity, but no worries about things like maintenance, big surprise costs, battery capacity, etc.
That's the exact use case where leasing shines -- for people who don't intend on keeping vehicles very long and want to continually have new ones. Not a good idea for people on a tight budget, but just fine for people who aren't and are willing to pay for nice vehicles and peace of mind.
Or you could just buy and sell a new car every 4 years. I've never driven a car that didn't have a least a 4 year warranty.
