No the lithium batteries life is limited to the number of charging cycles. I'm starting to dig into this stuff at work as some research on alternative propulsion for tractors. The batteries don't care how many miles you drive with them.
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I know a guy decently who is a DOT. He is a better one, he looks for the hazardous stuff and tries to leave the average person alone. He mentioned to me several years ago to always watch the GVWR, and if I don't need a one ton pickup stay with a 3/4. He told me to look at the GVWR of 3/4 pickups, they will always be right at 9800-9900; just below 10k. He told me that the laws technically push 10k GVWR pickups into a commercial level class. He would only stop those if they were pulling things and they didn't have the load strapped down and it appeared a few bumps could drop something off (a safety situation), but once he checked the GVWR, he had to hit it as commercial if they were pulling anything.
I figure if I needed bigger than a 3/4, I will just use the semi, so it has never been a problem for me.
What do they run? 400-500k? I can run ICE up to 300k and not have issues (rarely go past that so I can't say about the total). I put on a decent amount of miles yearly so I generally run vehicles to higher miles than most people. I have people who love to get my wife's vehicles after we get a different one for second vehicles due to the car. My work pickups get rode hard and I just don't want someone to buy it through me so I generally take them to a salvage yard and let them deal with them.
What I know is that my Ford dually now has a curb close to 8,000. It's GVWR is 13,000. All that means is that I can safely hold 5,000 in the bed. The truck doesn't weigh 13,000.
This is where those DOT's are getting things muddied. Because I don't need a CDL unless my weight....including what I am pulling is over 26,001. Yet they tell you anything with a GVWR over 10,000 is considered "commercial". That's BS. Because no pickups without a load are over that. And if they are within the manufacture and government "GVWR" on the tag with a load.....they are legal.
I have been to the landfill many times over 10,000 on weight in.......and around 8,000 on the empty side. I don't need a CDL for that nor am I a commercial vehicle.
This clown stated I needed to get my vehicle inspected every year to get a valid registration. I said if that were true Polk County wouldn't be just issuing me license plate tags every year for just $150 fee now would they. He got mad, and that is when he told me to come back and sit in his car while he combed through my name on his computer.
I can't help it if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed.......but don't p*** on my leg and tell me it's raining. Some of us can read and have read the regs. All they are doing is making a bad name for all DOT and/or sheriff's.
Edit: One thing I found out, is where they get you is if you are doing it for pay. Hauling for pay. Outside of that....tough sh**.
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Was this about 5 years ago? I know I used to have to have annual inspections for my trucks, but that quit about 5-6 years ago. I still get them inspected, I don't want to die due to a loose hanger bracket or something.
Haven't read the entire thread, but this was a cool video with a bunch of EVs and different kinds of tests. (Spoiler - they liked the Hyundai the best).
What an amazing time in the car industry right now - so many cool EVs and also so many cool ICE cars that may be the "last of the...." for so many classic models.
150k charges at an average of 200 miles per charge would be 30 million miles. I'm a homer for EV's but I can't believe that.
I think that's about the expectation, between 300k and 500k depending on other factors. Currently about .03% of cars on the road hit 300k miles. Only 1% of cars hit 200k miles.
I drove a '96 Camry until it had 275k miles. Engine/Drive Train was pretty good (after a transmission replacement) but the car was a total piece of trash in every other respect. Cars only last so long and for so many miles. Heck I just got hit with a massive repair bill on my F150 that is a 2017 with only 75k miles. I will say the loaner I'm driving now is a Dodge Journey and that car is just embarrassingly bad.
I'm guessing it would be like other batteries that you use for other things and those last 1000 charges would get you between 1-10 miles.
About 6....so close. I have had a one ton dually for the better part of two decades. And not once outside of my concern for safety have I been required to get them inspected on a annual basis.
I find this hard to believe. I know many people who have 200k on at least one of their vehicles, whether it is a kid's school vehicle, a work car, or for me a chore vehicle or two. Either people aren't taking care of them or they are tossing them early.
Where do the batteries sit in these? From what I have seen, they are on the bottom, with the amount of road salt used on the roads where I live, Im curious how this will affect the batteries. I have no issues with electric cars, I do whatever will be most economical for my family, I just want to see them after they have had 7-10 years of road salt, gravel roads, and rural situations on them before I will be comfortable. I saw the Ford EV pickups for the first time, I know I said 7-10 years, but unless they make something that looks quite a bit better than those, it will be more than 7-10.
Not railing on EV's I just need to see them in an environment more similar to mine than the typical urban driving. I don't want to be the test subject for it.
Thanks, the traded in part explains it. Most high mileage vehicles I know are sold privately or by little ma and pas that I'm guessing aren't tracked on these. So more are out there, people just don't trade them into dealerships.
Yeah you're right that 150k charges is probably wrong. I'm about a week into digging into this stuff for work. Looking at the stuff I can find real quick at 3000 charge cycles you're still at above 85% capacity. That's still over 500k miles for most cars. If you run a liquid cooled battery you're still at 90% capacity at 3000 cycles.
The point is there aren't that many. My wife has a 2011 Highlander which is a good car. Probably has like 122k miles. If it makes 200k miles it will be an absolute crap box by that point.
Just the fit, road noise, interior after driving around 3 kids most their lives, etc. Most cars don't make it to 200k without some some sort of accident involvement (we got hit once in it already, just shy of getting it totaled) so it's kind of jangly and noisy. You have to climb in the back seat to lock or unlock the driver's side door, AC problems, etc. Basically it's a car that's probably going to be worth something like 3-4k by the time it hits 200k, so if it has another major repair situation we'll probably just get a new one.
Yeah I kind of view EVs as a beta product right now.
If you're willing to deal with potential issues down the line, or if you're the kind of person who leases/trades-in your vehicle every 2-3 years and have a lifestyle/environment well-suited for EVs, you probably don't have to worry about any of these longer-term problems that may/may-not arise.
I think when there's a longer track-record, more inventory, and a better infrastructure, we'll probably see some more adoption if it makes sense.
It applies to everyone, just not every car. I tried to tell my son he needed a front plate on his 99 miata, but found out he doesn't. Is Mr. Mazda a vain jackass , perhaps you should consider who the real jackass might be.
