I’m not 100% sure what you are saying here because of the sentence structure but ND only plays one big ten team this year and has cancelled most of their other big ten series. (2 games if you count USC). ND values their independence very much, they could have always made more money in a conference but they are who they are. I don’t think NBC is dropping a ND game for a Big12 game but in 6-7 years you could be right but I kinda doubt it.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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The other thing is, ND dislikes the big 10.
I agree with what you said but if the pac does stay together then Oregon state is obviously staying. At this point I am assuming the pac stays together unless the big 12 comes in with a super strong offer. That might be kind of difficult becuase the pac can offer real numbers right now but the Big12 can only offer projections
ND dislikes everyone who isn't ND.
If you truly want the national title game in the best stadium every year, look no further than Jack Trice stadium. Of course, that would give ISU a clear advantage for the title every year.
I guarantee you one thing ND dislikes more than the B1G is the thought of one day having to join the SEC. There's a decent chance at some point they'll have to join a conference and assuming they'd have to choose between those two, it wouldn't be close. At that point, ND would need the B1G. The B1G will never need ND.
I would prefer a dome in Atlanta, Dallas or Arizona to a dome in Louisiana.
I would rotate final 7 games in CFB Playoff between top bowl sites: Cotton, Orange, Sugar, Rose, Fiesta, Peach and one other cool spot like Vegas, Orlando, etc.
I would have the final 7 be a mix of indoor/outdoor. Would also make sure cities keep stadiums well maintained/modern.
I agree with you too. The mostly likely outcome (to me, by a pretty long shot) is that the Pac-12 adds San Diego State and somebody like SMU and then nothing else happens for another 10 years or so, with ACC schools announcing moves effective at the end of their GOR. And then all hell could break loose.
The Big 12 and Pac-12 will have similar money in that time period.
Yeah, I am skeptical that the money difference will be enough to pull away a PAC school. I can see us coming out 5-10 million ahead of them, but I don't see that being enough to justify the challenges that would come for a school moving. We may have the better product on the field, more fan interest, and more money, but when you are spending all of that extra money on flights for the soccer and swimming team then what's the point?
But can the Pac12 offer real #'s? They have a low ball offer from ESPN.
The Big10 still hasn't formally announced it's agreement. Some of that is probably the USC/UCLA impact. But even at the beginning of summer, the earliest it would have been announced was Memorial Day. A little over a year before their current media deal expires.
Maybe the Big10 deal was more complicated. And maybe the Pac12 is feeling more urgency. But I am still of the belief the Pac12 still might not have a deal next May/June.
I am convinced that a Big12/Pac12 combination makes the most sense. Most likely that isn't a 22 team conference. But is a combination of the top 12, 16 or 20 teams the strongest competitor to the Big10 & SEC? From a per school payout and strength of overall geographic inventory.
I feel like what gets lost with the ND discussion is the potential that, if ever forced to join a conference, ND just joins the ACC and keeps that conference a float. The current ACC with ND would probably get a deal similar to B1G and SEC.
They can offer real numbers becuase they are currently in negotiations, now will those numbers be good? Probably not but they will be real whereas the Big12 can offer projections.
The big ten is taking so long becuase right as the deal was locked up they added the two Cali schools which took everything back to the drawing board.
I don’t think the conferences will combine even if it is in their best interest. Although the big 12 could try and steal teams
Agree that getting ND as a full member would probably ensure the ACC's survival. I don't think it would put the ACC at $1 bill/year. Best case for the ACC would be to get ND as a full member and then trying to pull in a handful of teams from the Pac... Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, and going with an American Coastal Conference (still ACC) thing. Doubt that would happen, and by the time ND's hand is forced the ACC would likely be picked apart already.
I’m sorry did you just say the ACC with ND gets a similar deal to the SEC and Big10? That is extremely doubtful even 10 years from now when their contract is up.
