Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

2speedy1

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Sometime down the road, maybe 15 years or so. Teams are going to be leaving these conferences on their own. It just won't be worth the cost and hassle. When they are forced to pay a backup offensive lineman 75K a year just to be sort of competitive, a couple of schools will say screw it. This isn't dissimilar from ISU bailing from the AAU.
It will start happening when they start paying unequal revenue. When teams like Ohio St and Alabama start demanding more money than Indiana and Miss st. and suddenly those teams are getting 50% or less they will start leaving.

This is how they get them to leave, it is not that they kick them out, its that they are going to cut them out until they leave.
 

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It basically all comes down to FOX. Whatever they prefer will happen. If they want the Pac-10 to eat the Big 12 and screw WVU and Cincy, that will be what happens. If they want the Big 12 to do the eating and screw Wazzu and Oregon State, that will happen. If they want the B1G to come back for more, that will happen.

Lots of people are tremendously confident that the right answers are obvious and they aren’t

Just noodle out how to maximize the money, and that's your answer. From what I have seen, the ad revenue for games increases exponentially with viewership. So 1 game with 3M viewers is worth a heck of a lot more than 3 games with 1M viewers. ESPN and Fox want fewer games with more viewers per game.

So ideal state is a single league of the giant brands, nationwide, which is about 20-24ish teams. These are the teams that drive the majority of the interest, viewers, and ad revenue. The other 40-50 teams will fall to a Division 2 status, costing them a lot less money and effort.

That's the future, and it's just a matter of how the evolution occurs. Right now, they are consolidating those 24ish teams into 2 conferences. Easier to take the next step that way, less chairs at the table.

Next, stop playing games against anyone not in the SEC or B1G to create real separation. Then announce the formation of a SuperLeague that roughly half the B1G/SEC get invited to. The left-behinds fall to existing Division 2. And we are basically back to regular college football, but with no Bama, Ohio St, Texas et al. Maybe it will be better that way, idk.
 
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If the B1G vs. SEC war is really a proxy Fox vs. ESPN war, it seems plausible that Fox and ESPN would also battle it out for this second tier and we'd end up with two second-tier superconferences. ESPN controls one (the ACC, in whatever formation that takes) and Fox the other, made up of some combination of the Pac + New Big12.

Who knows, I just made that up. Seems as plausible as any other scenario.
Im not sure they will have enough money left for the next tier. They want to concentrate all the cash in their cash cows. This is why Fox is essentially killing the PAC to take what they pay there and dump it in the B1G, they want the big names in one spot. They will leave the Big 12 to CBS/Paramount or Apple, Amazon etc.
 

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$125M per school per year might be on the conservative side if that happens.
IF this happens, that would be unbelievably hard to compete with. Can't imagine Indiana getting $125 just off TV contracts. Iowa City may be paved in gold in ten years.
 

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The Pac 12's biggest mistake was in 2010 when they didn't take Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State when the opportunity was there. Had they done so, the Power 2 would have been the Pac 12 and Big 10 and the SEC would have been left in third place.

I was with you up until the point where you thought the Pac 12 would have been an ultimate winner and the SEC would have been an ultimate loser in this scenario. The SEC would have still been #1 and the Pac still #3 - and it's very possible that the Pac could be going through what the Big 12 is currently going through with OU and UT had this scenario played out the way you want. The bottom line is the Big 10 still controls the major northern media markets and the SEC still controls the most lusted after recruiting grounds and one of the most passionate followings in all of college sports - that doesn't change even if the Pac won that round of realignment.
 

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I think we should root for Notre Dame to go to the Big 10, leading to Oregon and maybe Washington going as well which would be the killshot to the Pac 12.
 

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Wilner is tweeting this now and it makes sense. Is killing the Pac 10 by adding the AZ schools, Utah and CO worth taking a smaller payout? Because those schools certainly don't add any money to the pot.

In this case, killing the Pac 10 in exchange for some stability probably is worth a smaller payout is my guess.
 

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I'm guessing we won't be hearing a peep out of USC and UCLA about the constant night time kicks like we did when they were in the Pac 12.

The Big Ten is going to have 13 straight hours of football on most Saturdays. Insane.
 

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Sometime down the road, maybe 15 years or so. Teams are going to be leaving these conferences on their own. It just won't be worth the cost and hassle. When they are forced to pay a backup offensive lineman 75K a year just to be sort of competitive, a couple of schools will say screw it. This isn't dissimilar from ISU bailing from the AAU.
It is dissimilar in that ISU was getting kicked out of the AAU. The staff pointed out to leadership how they were bragging about AAU status weeks before they resigned. ISU was told to leave.
 

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PAC 12 now in the position of having 10 teams and a very thin, non-committed pool of eligibles out there...Boise State, Colorado State, Memphis, SMU, etc., all of which are far from a replacement for USC and UCLA...none of these met the cut for the Big 12 when they grabbed the best 4 out there in Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Central Fl. So, their only other route is to go after the Big 12 teams...they would love Kansas...and likely pursue Okie State...maybe Tech. No way they go after Baylor or TCU. But, back to Okie State...Kansas, etc. would the $'s in the PAC, post USC and UCLA, be more than what the Big 12 will get? Likely not, especially given how USC and UCLA made the jump to the BIG once news of how crappy the new media contract for the PAC was likely going to be.

I mean, is the PAC going to make news grabbing Boise State...Colorado State...San Diego State? They have to go big and eat the top Big 12 teams or the Big 12 is going to take Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah...they would take Washington too if they are available. Teams like Washington State, Oregon State, and Cal really have to be concerned right now...big time sports deficits that quickly spiral out of control (if not already) if their cash flow goes from $35M to $5M per year.

Here's a hot take...do you go the route of the Big Pac 22 and create one super conference with two 11-team divisions...add in Boise State and Colorado State and hit 24. Nahhhhhh. Too many ego's to ever consider that.
You take AZ, ASU, UU, and CO. And if OU and UW are avail you take those 2 as well. Leave the others.
Then when the SEC blows up the ACC you are in position to take a few of those, and if needed back fill from the Mount west the schools that went there this round like Stan, Cal, ORst, Wazzu, or SDst, Memphis,

But you take the best 4-6 available from the PAC right now, and wait to see what happens with to the ACC.
Then just round out the numbers if needed with others at that time.
 

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Diving into forums across the country is fun right now. Wazzu playing out all the scenarios where they aren't screwed, without acknowledging its a possibility. Zona St laughing at WSU, OSU, and lumping in rival Zona as they won't land anywhere, acknowledging they likely won't make the B1G. Some want a revamped PAC and some want Big12. B1G fans wondering who they're grabbing next. One interesting option was doing the anti SEC and grabbing blueblood basketball UNC/Duke/Kansas. Florida State fans trying to figure out how they get out of the GOR and land safely in the SEC despite Florida. NC St fans acknowledge ACC's time is limited hoping for SEC landing spot. What a soap opera!?!?!

NGL, it's actually a little bit more fun when the Big 12 as a whole and ISU in particular isn't getting the "they're screwed" talk this time around.
 

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IF this happens, that would be unbelievably hard to compete with. Can't imagine Indiana getting $125 just off TV contracts. Iowa City may be paved in gold in ten years.
You mean it isnt already? The way they talk over there I thought it already was? Jeez.... I thought the place was a dump the last time I was there. I figured they must have done this to make it special or something, cuz damn cant see what they brag about.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Wilner is tweeting this now and it makes sense. Is killing the Pac 10 by adding the AZ schools, Utah and CO worth taking a smaller payout? Because those schools certainly don't add any money to the pot.

In this case, killing the Pac 10 in exchange for some stability probably is worth a smaller payout is my guess.
We take 2 or OU and Wash leave and it’s dead don’t need to do 4
 
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Time to tax it or require it go to reduce tuition or general scholarship funds.
I feel like most would put it back into a university general fund at that point. You won’t need it for facilities, and NIL will be the new way to get talent. Figuring out how to launder that into an NIL fund will be the next step.
 
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