Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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It's 10 years later and a lot has changed in sports media. But if the Big10 took Rutgers last go around, taking Cal & Stanford would make sense to Presidents.

Like I posted elsewhere. Big10 doesn't have to offer a full share.

Endowments do matter if money is tied to sport scholarships.
They took Rutgers simply because they took Jack for a media share for years and brought in huge dollars when the model was solely based on passive TV market money. It had nothing to do with athletics or academics. Rutgers and Maryland were added to cash in on NY and DC TV markets, and nothing more.
 

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Yeah, UCLA\USC won't be happy if all of their games are night games, but this definitely opens up more evening options for the big 10

As a tv fan I loooooooove 11am central kickoffs at 9am Saturday morning pacific time. Make a big breakfast and mainline coffee entire first half. No waiting and have entire day to do other stuff. Fits my now middle age lifestyle better than beer at night w football.
 

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If the Big 10 and SEC are going to 20 each. Best case scenario for ISU IMO is:

Big 10 gets: ND, UNC, Stanford, and Cal
SEC gets: Clemson, FSU, NC ST, and Va Tech
Big East Basketball gets: Boston College, Duke, UVA, Syracuse, and Pitt

Big 12 20-team super conference:

West - Washington, Oregon, Utah, BYU, and CU
South: Arizona, ASU, Tech, BU, and Houston
Central: OSU, KSU, KU, ISU, and TCU
East: Louisville, Cincy, WV, UCF, and Miami.

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West: WA, OR, Utah, BYU, CU, ASU, AZ, ISU, KU, KSU
East: TT, TCU, BU, OSU, Houston, Louisville, Cincy, WV, UCF, and Miami

Or you do no pods/divisions. Everyone plays 1/2 one year and 1/2 the other year.

Makes me wish we didn't take Houston and UCF. I'd rather run at Virginia, Duke, and Pitt
If the Pac 12 and ACC both implode I have a hard time believing that all three of the B1G, SEC and Big 12 are only at 20 teams.

In that scenario:
I find it hard to believe UVA gets left out of the B1G and no mention of Ga tech
That Pitt would be left out of the Big 12 and also Ga tech if B1G doesnt take
That the SEC would not take Miami I think would be unlikely

I think Duke would be a bubble team for B1G and Big 12 depending on numbers, and how much the bball value is worth in the grand scheme of things.

Syracuse and BC, are in the same boat as Oregon St and Wazzu I agree.
 

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As a tv fan I loooooooove 11am central kickoffs at 9am Saturday morning pacific time. Make a big breakfast and mainline coffee entire first half. No waiting and have entire day to do other stuff. Fits my now middle age lifestyle better than beer at night w football.
Ditto
 

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Notre Dame, Florida St, and Clemson need to leave the ACC now. Throw this thing into complete chaos!!!
The big hangup here is that ESPN has no incentive to break up the ACC. They have the last big brands on the East coast locked up till 2036. And thanks to the weirdness of ND's sudo membership in the ACC, ESPN is able to block ND joining the Big 10.

The House of Mouse can hang on to that super friendly ACC contract till the end, then move Clemson, FSU, Miami, and VT over to the SEC of they want. Meanwhile UNC, UVA, Duke, and ND are kind of stuck out of the Big 10's grasp until then.
 

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Nobody really cares about the academics stuff anymore. They may say it but they care about dollars. If Upper Iowa could bring a billion dollars a year to the big ten, they would snatch them up. Academics is just for them to act like they actually care about something other than money, and they don’t

I wouldn’t entirely dismiss the TCU rumor if someone in b10 position of power thinks they need foot in Texas. Top prize is off the board, A&M is freaking weird anyway and TCU has best market and least baggage of the rest.

It’s a long shot but not crazy. I don’t think academics or academic affiliations matters on the slightest anymore. If we hadn’t added BYU the Pac would be on the phone with them 100%, religious affiliations won’t matter either.
 

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This thing that frustrates me the most is this super conference narrative. Until the Big 10 and SEC start kicking out the Vanderbilts, Rutgers etc. these aren’t super conferences. Add all the comparatives or boot them and then we can talk.
 
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I don't really see any ACC or Pac 12 schools being willing to make a move to any conference but the Big Ten or SEC until things have settled a bit. No use in making a lateral move.

I would love to see a Big 12 and Pac 12 merger come together really quickly. If it happens quickly, they can weather the storm if the Big Ten and/or SEC comes and poaches a few teams because they'll have plenty to spare. I don't love it, but it does seem to provide schools in the same situation as ISU some stability for the time being.
 
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I'm going to assume Wash/Ore/Stanford/Cal have better options, but this ten team league is not a horrible landing place. Or could add some of the below-the-line teams in roughly that order to get to 12/14/16/18 or whatever makes the most sense.

ASU
AZ
Colo
Utah
Texas Tech
Oklahoma St
Kansas St
Kansas
Iowa St
WVU

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BYU
Cincinnati
Oregon St
Wash St
TCU
Baylor
Houston
UCF
You cant get to the above the line stuff without most of the below the line stuff. Unless you are going to throw half the Big 12 out, or have half the Big 12 join the Pac now. Thats just not going to happen now.
 

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If the Pac 12 and ACC both implode I have a hard time believing that all three of the B1G, SEC and Big 12 are only at 20 teams.

In that scenario:
I find it hard to believe UVA gets left out of the B1G and no mention of Ga tech
That Pitt would be left out of the Big 12 and also Ga tech if B1G doesnt take
That the SEC would not take Miami I think would be unlikely

I think Duke would be a bubble team for B1G and Big 12 depending on numbers, and how much the bball value is worth in the grand scheme of things.

Syracuse and BC, are in the same boat as Oregon St and Wazzu I agree.
Hard agree. I see 24 per conference as the landing spot more than 20. Though, that is with the idea being that 30-40 of those will break away down the road and leave the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns behind.

Until then, the current P5+ND+the Big 12 call-ups gives us 69 teams split between essentially 3 conferences.
 
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I don't really see any ACC or Pac 12 schools being willing to make a move to any conference but the Big Ten or SEC until things have settled a bit. No use in making a lateral move.

I would love to see a Big 12 and Pac 12 merger come together really quickly. If it happens quickly, they can weather the storm if the Big Ten and/or SEC comes and poaches a few teams because they'll have plenty to spare. I don't love it, but it does seem to provide schools in the same situation as ISU some stability for the time being.

If Washington and Oregon leave it wouldn’t be a lateral move for others in Pac to join big 12.

Agree ACC teams aren’t going to leave right now. Maybe a team like Louisville knows the power 2 will never add them and start talking to big 12 about their future years down road to grease the wheels to join big 12. ACC has an expiration date.
 

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Hard agree. I see 24 per conference as the landing spot more than 20. Though, that is with the idea being that 30-40 of those will break away down the road and leave the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns behind.

Until then, the current P5+ND+the Big 12 call-ups gives us 69 teams split between essentially 3 conferences.
My take is at some point we go with option A what you say.. Or,

Option B,

We end up with the SEC and B1G each with 32 teams. 4 regional 8 team divisions each. Making a playoff in each conference to a championship game between. That would be 8 regional, 8 team divisions. Sounds a lot like 8 regional 8 team conferences to me, just with 2 super conferences controlling all the contracts and deals. This is where I think we are heading in the next decade plus.
 

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This thing that frustrates me the most is this super conference narrative. Until the Big 10 and SEC start kicking out the Vanderbilts, Rutgers etc. these aren’t super conferences. Add all the comparatives or boot them and then we can talk.

Someone has to take the loss.
 

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I wouldn’t entirely dismiss the TCU rumor if someone in b10 position of power thinks they need foot in Texas. Top prize is off the board, A&M is freaking weird anyway and TCU has best market and least baggage of the rest.

It’s a long shot but not crazy. I don’t think academics or academic affiliations matters on the slightest anymore. If we hadn’t added BYU the Pac would be on the phone with them 100%, religious affiliations won’t matter either.
Idk… I just don’t see a religious school in the big 10. Could see them trying to poach Houston instead. And I dont really think they are that concerned with Texas markets.
 
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Hard agree. I see 24 per conference as the landing spot more than 20. Though, that is with the idea being that 30-40 of those will break away down the road and leave the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns behind.

Until then, the current P5+ND+the Big 12 call-ups gives us 69 teams split between essentially 3 conferences.
If you really dig into that full list of schools, there's a pretty clear top 20 or so in terms of value from fan attendance, media market, alumni base, TV viewership, etc. combined. Starts to diminish fairly rapidly after that. There's not a huge difference between school #21 and #50. But after that, there's another big drop. If you end up with only 32 schools between the B1G and SEC, you are going to have most (but not all) of the big-time programs. If you get to 40 (20 per league), you could probably end up with all of the national brands but a huge number of schools traditionally considered "power programs" on the outside looking in. For Iowa State, we certainly have to hope that the number pushes higher than 40. And where the number used to be 65 P5 schools, now that is 69 and unfortunately, BYU is a bigger asset than we are. We've elevated at least 1 school that people will pick ahead of us.
 

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If Washington and Oregon leave it wouldn’t be a lateral move for others in Pac to join big 12.

Agree ACC teams aren’t going to leave right now. Maybe a team like Louisville knows the power 2 will never add them and start talking to big 12 about their future years down road to grease the wheels to join big 12. ACC has an expiration date.
2036. That is the final deadline for the ACC. It could fall apart sooner, but right now ESPN is happy to have that conference under a network friendly contract for another 14 years.
My take is at some point we go with option A what you say.. Or,

Option B,

We end up with the SEC and B1G each with 32 teams. 4 regional 8 team divisions each. Making a playoff in each conference to a championship game between. That would be 8 regional, 8 team divisions. Sounds a lot like 8 regional 8 team conferences to me, just with 2 super conferences controlling all the contracts and deals. This is where I think we are heading in the next decade plus.
Oh, I would be completely down for that. The only problem is the greed at the tops of the Big 10 and SEC who won't want to split the pie any more than they absolutely have to. But that will result in teams that aren't used to losing seeing some rough years, because at the end of the day, somebody has to lose those games.
 

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Idk… I just don’t see a religious school in the big 10. Could see them trying to poach Houston instead. And I dont really think they are that concerned with Texas markets.

Def Long shot but Houston or TCU aren’t the stretch Tech and Baylor are. Either TCU or Houston isn’t any different than what they tried w Maryland and Rutgers, I mean those moves didn’t actually get them DC and NYC.

If the Oregon and Washington rumors are true that really does get them nearly all of whatever college sports interest there is in pacific time zone.
 
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As a tv fan I loooooooove 11am central kickoffs at 9am Saturday morning pacific time. Make a big breakfast and mainline coffee entire first half. No waiting and have entire day to do other stuff. Fits my now middle age lifestyle better than beer at night w football.
Totally agree....
 

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2036. That is the final deadline for the ACC. It could fall apart sooner, but right now ESPN is happy to have that conference under a network friendly contract for another 14 years.

Oh, I would be completely down for that. The only problem is the greed at the tops of the Big 10 and SEC who won't want to split the pie any more than they absolutely have to. But that will result in teams that aren't used to losing seeing some rough years, because at the end of the day, somebody has to lose those games.
Put it this way I hope it goes option B, cuz I think that will be at least a bit of saving grace for College Athletics. But who knows when the money gets to this level, the power dynamic is off the charts. This is an all out power struggle now.
 

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