So we are heading to 2-3 “super conferences” but then you willl have to divide those into divisions which will end up looking very similar to what we have right now. This feels like the cord cutters saving a buck on cable but their streaming services add up to the same amount. Only thing that changes my mind is SEC and Big 10 kicking out dead weight and adding better teams which I don’t see.
Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Its about money and power... The B1G and SEC and their media partners want it all. If in the end they essentially end up with regional divisions that mimic what we all had a couple decades ago, so be it, they still will hold all the power and money.
After listening to the college sports sat. radio tonight, I am convinced that the B10 will try to slow play Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford. Keep letting them think that they will also have a golden ticket on the money train, while the league is turning back east to again attempt to nab ND, UNC and UV. By adding the eastern teams that gives them a headlock on the NE down to the Carolina's.
Now is the time for the B12 to go after the left-over Pac 12 schools, we do not want all of them, just Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Colorado, and two others. Cal, Utah, the Arizona schools.
Now is the time for the B12 to go after the left-over Pac 12 schools, we do not want all of them, just Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Colorado, and two others. Cal, Utah, the Arizona schools.
Fair but those media partners do the same thing now just write a different conference on the check right now.
Except when you are down to 2 you are not dividing your money up between as many conferences and not negotiating with as many people. You essentially have all your eggs in one basket.
Like I said earlier. By Fox telling the B1G to go get the top teams in the PAC, they essentially make it so they no longer have to hold out money to negotiate for that conference or for those games that they want.
Someone said that for USC and UCLA to move the needle from 85M to over 100M in the media deal as reported they would have to be worth over 450M. But this is not exactly true. They just have to save that 450M that Fox would have had to spend on the PAC.
Say Fox was offering $1 Billion for the B1G media rights. And was negotiating with the Pac offering or figuring they need to offer say $600 mil for the pac or at least a share of. Now they tell the B1G we can sweeten the pot to $1.5 Billion if you essentially grab the top teams in the PAC. Now they actually got a discount In the total, and the control not only the B1G but the top teams they want in the PAC, like probably USC, UCLA and probably Oregon and Wash. In the end everyone will make at least what they were making at the $1 billion deal which was supposed to be 85M but will probably end up closer to 100M by the time its done.
Then in the next go around Fox has one less conference to worry about, and can concentrate all their efforts on just the B1G and their network.
This is what could eventually unravel the ACC as well, ESPN holds both their deal and the SEC, at some point ESPN may want to consolidate that Money, and get their top Media teams together. Meaning they will want to get Clemson etc into the SEC, and the SEC will want to do the same. It will just be a matter of time until they figure out an out or time frame that makes the money right to kill that GOR in the ACC.
I mean it all sounds great but I still have yet to hear anyone tell me how you get out of that ACC GOR until 2036.
I mean UT and OU wont even leave the Big 12 for 1 or 2 years of GOR money. I dont see anyone leaving the ACC with 14 years left.
Short of some clause I dont know of, or some other back door deal between ESPN, SEC, and a number of school that they can dissolve that conference or that deal...with...ESPN I dont see how anyone expects any ACC school or ND to leave for anywhere for at least a Decade.
With that I dont see the B1G slow playing Oregon and Washington for a Decade. These media people all talk about fantasy scenarios but they forget about the fine print.
My guess is if their is a way to break the ACC GOR we will hear about it VERY Soon. If not the chips will fall with the PAC in the coming days. And then we will wait until things heat up again the next round or when someone figures out how to break that ACC GOR. But those things were written to not be easy to just walk away from. That is the point of them.
Thinking out loud here, but if ESPN essentially owns the SEC and the ACC…what good is the GOR anyway? ACC is getting paid peanuts, who cares if you pay them a little more to move the best teams to the SEC if you’re ESPN? Plus, they could get them to dissolve anyhow if they move enough teams over.
I know not everybody is like this but I am done watching the big matchups outside ISU. I like college fb but it makes me want to puke how it all went. They are going to lose at least some fans or at least some interest from some fans and I’m not sure how they think programs like Alabama or Ohio St could ever have more fans than they do now.
For college basketball I’ve always only watched ISU and the tourney because I think it’s just a crap product compared to nba and can’t stand watching all the bricks.
Oregon and Washington are not going to seat on the sidelines and twiddle their thumbs - way to much economic value -- bet they are petitioning the Big Ten right now for admittance consideration right now Way to much value not to consider. The team which will left on the outside then screaming bloody murder (just because of there arrogance) is going to Notre Dame. Bank it. This will be schadenfreude at its finest.
Agree, Washington and Oregon are a formality. Maybe it’s a year or two or maybe they sign tonight, it’s still not midnight.
I’m more curious about how they have evaluated Cal and Stanford and what those programs even want.
We will not thrive under a direct viewership model. We on this board are the 1% of crazy Cyclone fans.
We complain about the $5 for ESPN+
We donate the least of any of the Big12 schools
We don’t have any billionaire donors
We’re in a hilariously small population state
We have over half the state cheering for the other team in the state
We are not getting a million people to pay $10 a month in the name of Cyclone sports.
A direct payout system means Iowa State is the bottom or near the bottom of all revenue
I agree, that is why the b10 will keep Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal on HOLD for now. Look if they really wanted to take those schools, why not just add them with USC and UCLA, take all six now and be done with it. Because they want ND and I think would rather have UNC and UV, then maybe Oregon and Washington.
That is why the Big 12 needs to go after those schools now, try and convince them that the door is closing, they can either wait for a B10 offer that may or may not be there in the future or join the Big 12 now and ensure that they survive this mess. If they still refuse, then start talking to CU, Utah and the Arizonia schools, hoping that just talking to them destabilizes enough that it forces those schools to move.
The Big 12 has tried the sit back and see what happens game and we have lost every time, now is the time to be proactive and go after the best in Pac 12, the worst they can say is "No", then go after the other schools like CU that will jump.
Don’t really see how anything today changes Notre Dame’s thoughts. Agree on Oregon and Washington but if Big wanted them wouldn’t they have taken them already. I’m assuming we’re headed to bigger conferences. But if somehow things stood as is Oregon best bet would prolly be Independent since big enough to handle for now.
If you move them all you are fine, but what about BC or Syracuse, are you ok in Paying them 14 years x $40M Plus expected annual growth say of 5% per year, plus exit fees per school of possibly $100M+, also any damages they might sue for? This could easily total close to $1B PER school......with a B.
This is the issue. Unless everyone gets a landing spot they are happy with and they have a way to dissolve the conference by vote...Or their is a back door clause. No one is leaving and paying $1B. It aint happening.
Ooff thats where you and I differ, I cants stand the NBA or anything about it. I havent watched it since the days of Jordan.
You read his post wrong, he was trying to make some kind of weird merged conference out of the Big 12 and Pac 12 with the above line schools, and not the below line schools.
I dont see that happening unless we do something extremely drastic and half the Big 12 bails and merges with the remaining PAC.
Right now most of the Below the line schools would have to be included because they are already in the Big 12 and if you add the Pac schools they would still be in the Big 12. We are not going to kick out anyone to add someone at this point.
I'm similar except for the BB part I still watch a fair amount of college hoops and some PAC hoops because of Bill Walton. He's a trip all his own.
Nah I read it right. In a weird scenario where the Big12 and Pac12 merge and then a new higher and lower tier is created, we’re not in the top half.
