Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[ForbinsAscynt]

Stanford can be independent. It’s not like they don’t have the donor money to sustain themselves. Probably same with Cal

 

[ripvdub]

Everyone else remember how we were pissy that we were left out of the alliance??? Lulz, good times!

 

[AuH2O]

Giant market, actual fandom not big.

The transition from markets to actual fans hasn’t helped them.

The AZ schools probably have more actual eyeballs.

AZ schools get terrible ratings too. Oregon is good, and Utah seems to had taken UWs spot as the third best ratings team in the league behind USC and Oregon.

That doesn’t mean you don’t take the Arizona schools or CU. They aren’t going to boost the leagues media value on a per team basis, but the Big 12 at this point might need to take a safety in numbers approach in maintaining access to a playoff.

 

[isucy86]

Why are some people so comfortable abandoning the eastern time zone in favor of the Pacific time zone? Isn’t one of the P12’s major problem that people don’t watch the late games? Why would we be in favor of PT over ET? I’m for both, but surprised how many are ready to casually drop ET!

Right now the best programs to add through realignment are on the West Coast.

Also we added Cincy & UCF in realignment last summer in ET. Now it makes sense to go west to strengthen the BYU add. CU, Utah & Az schools would all be home run additions to compliment BYU.

Plus the SW schools are good complements to our 4 Texas schools.

IMO time zone difference are overblown. If MTZ or PTZ schools are playing- never have them go with an 11a CT start. Conversely, no 9p CT starts for ETZ schools.

 

[isucy86]

Honestly, I don't see the value in Cal or Stanford. If they were valuable, the PAC TV deal would be worth more. It wasn't just OSU and WSU dragging that down.

Anything beyond the 6 talked about teams is a non-starter for me.

I see Cal & Stanford as academic plays. Top 10 academic schools, Hugh endowments. Maybe they come to the Big10 on a partial rights fee for 5 years.

 

[2speedy1]

I’m trying to imagine who in LA is going to get up for a 9am kickoff between Indiana and Michigan State. This really makes no sense from a market standpoint.

Because they only schedule games at Noon Eastern each week?

Its not like there isnt a time slot at other times during the day for when a Pacific team plays an Eastern team.

I dont understand this take.

 

[deadeyededric]

AZ schools get terrible ratings too. Oregon is good, and Utah seems to had taken UWs spot as the third best ratings team in the league behind USC and Oregon.

That doesn’t mean you don’t take the Arizona schools or CU. They aren’t going to boost the leagues media value on a per team basis, but the Big 12 at this point might need to take a safety in numbers approach in maintaining access to a playoff.

I think it's because half the people who live in Arizona aren't from Arizona and really don't care about U of A or ASU. I do think ASU has pretty good fans though.

 

[alarson]

Because they only schedule games at Noon Eastern each week?

Its not like there isnt a time slot at other times during the day for when a Pacific team plays an Eastern team.

I dont understand this take.

Yeah, UCLA\USC won't be happy if all of their games are night games, but this definitely opens up more evening options for the big 10

 

[jdoggivjc]

Iowa barely beats Nebraska every year. As bad as Nebraska is, that's sad. And I find it hilarious. Yes. Nebraska is a coaching staff away from being relevant again. I hate to say that. But yes.

#NebraskasSuperBowl

 

[AuH2O]

I see Cal & Stanford as academic plays. Top 10 academic schools, Hugh endowments. Maybe they come to the Big10 on a partial rights fee for 5 years.

Athletic conferences have nothing to do with academic endowments and research. The Big 10 can already play the card of being far superior academically to the SEC. They don’t need to add to dog crap sports brands to be the good academic conference of the Big 2.

 

[madguy30]

I’m trying to imagine who in LA is going to get up for a 9am kickoff between Indiana and Michigan State. This really makes no sense from a market standpoint.

I'd think if it's a shared revenue (is it? I lost track) as long as a huge viewership map is watching it won't matter if it's UCLA fans tuning in.

I'm also guessing UCLA/USC games get better national game times in this deal.

 

[Drew0311]

So how did Oregon with their Nike money get bypassed in this whole deal, they have more recent success than either USC or UCLA.

My guess is Nike only gives to Oregon. If Nike dished out TV money. They would have been first in line. In other words Oregon is very valuable to Oregon and not as valuable to the big ten…. Yet

 

[cyfan92]

If the Big 10 and SEC are going to 20 each. Best case scenario for ISU IMO is:

Big 10 gets: ND, UNC, Stanford, and Cal
SEC gets: Clemson, FSU, NC ST, and Va Tech
Big East Basketball gets: Boston College, Duke, UVA, Syracuse, and Pitt

Big 12 20-team super conference:

West - Washington, Oregon, Utah, BYU, and CU
South: Arizona, ASU, Tech, BU, and Houston
Central: OSU, KSU, KU, ISU, and TCU
East: Louisville, Cincy, WV, UCF, and Miami.

OR

West: WA, OR, Utah, BYU, CU, ASU, AZ, ISU, KU, KSU
East: TT, TCU, BU, OSU, Houston, Louisville, Cincy, WV, UCF, and Miami

Or you do no pods/divisions. Everyone plays 1/2 one year and 1/2 the other year.

Makes me wish we didn't take Houston and UCF. I'd rather run at Virginia, Duke, and Pitt

 

[keepngoal]

Calling my shot. Iowa blocked Stanford into Big10.

 

[BMWallace]

Athletic conferences have nothing to do with academic endowments and research. The Big 10 can already play the card of being far superior academically to the SEC. They don’t need to add to dog crap sports brands to be the good academic conference of the Big 2.

Do they need to? No. But the Big 10 views themselves as more than just athletic institutions. They have an ethos of higher morals/"holier than thou" bs with regard to academics that points to them taking the top tier schools. There is a reason they hold the AAU membership in such high regard, despite it having nothing to do with sports.

 

[cyfan92]

Notre Dame, Florida St, and Clemson need to leave the ACC now. Throw this thing into complete chaos!!!

 

[isucy86]

Athletic conferences have nothing to do with academic endowments and research. The Big 10 can already play the card of being far superior academically to the SEC. They don’t need to add to dog crap sports brands to be the good academic conference of the Big 2.

It's 10 years later and a lot has changed in sports media. But if the Big10 took Rutgers last go around, taking Cal & Stanford would make sense to Presidents.

Like I posted elsewhere. Big10 doesn't have to offer a full share.

Endowments do matter if money is tied to sport scholarships.

 

[HFCS]

Imagine BYU’s perspective, they finally get a conference upgrade and almost immediately all four regional Pac schools may join them. It’s really best case scenario for them.

 

[dmb341]

I'm going to assume Wash/Ore/Stanford/Cal have better options, but this ten team league is not a horrible landing place. Or could add some of the below-the-line teams in roughly that order to get to 12/14/16/18 or whatever makes the most sense.

ASU
AZ
Colo
Utah
Texas Tech
Oklahoma St
Kansas St
Kansas
Iowa St
WVU

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BYU
Cincinnati
Oregon St
Wash St
TCU
Baylor
Houston
UCF

 

[Drew0311]

I see Cal & Stanford as academic plays. Top 10 academic schools, Hugh endowments. Maybe they come to the Big10 on a partial rights fee for 5 years.

Nobody really cares about the academics stuff anymore. They may say it but they care about dollars. If Upper Iowa could bring a billion dollars a year to the big ten, they would snatch them up. Academics is just for them to act like they actually care about something other than money, and they don’t