Again, I'm not talking caliber. I responded to someone taking about his size. That was it.
Tyrese Hunter Entering the Transfer Portal - NIL Speculation
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This seems like a weird way to split hairs. He is undersized. That, alone, is not necessarily a deal-breaker. But that, in combination with his EXISTING skill-set, is a huge negative. In addition to cutting down on turnovers and getting better at finishing through contact, both of which I absolutely expect, a consistent shot (FT and 3pt) will be key. If he can do that over the next two years, he’ll have a chance. But it’s totally reasonable to be skeptical today.
I'm not splitting hairs. Someone posted about his size and toughness:
I made size comps of Kyle Lowry (6-0, 196), Steph Curry (6-2, 185), and Jalen Brunson (6-1, 190).
ISU had Tyrese at 6-0, 178 as an 18yr old. Size wise, he's not far off those comps. And could be almost equal in a year or two.
I haven't made any skill, turnover, 3pt, FT, etc comps to them. I think there's a few people struggling to understand that.
I always thought from a comp standpoint that Damien Lillard fit. He's 6'1"-6'2" - 185 lbs depending on where you look. I thought Tyrese's offensive game in HS reminded me of Dame's.
At Tyrese's size he's going to have to become a terrific threat from beyond the arc and cut down on his turnovers in order to have a shot in the NBA. Not impossible obviously, just don't think Texas is the school I'd choose if I wanted to develop.
I was going add in Cameron Payne to my size comps but thought that could be a Prohm rabbit hole but it's somehow evolved into a skill set rabbit hole anyway.
The NBA is moving more guard based and guards that can shoot. Tyrese has A LOT of work to do on that end. A LOT. Tyrese showed us all he can play some D, and that might get him a foot in the door. It may have got Fred VanVleet his shot because he wasn't drafted.
Yep to play in the NBA you can't be a liability on either end of the floor and you have to be somewhat of a threat from 3. At 6'1" that makes things a lot harder to be all of those things but there have been plenty of guys that have been able to do it.
From what we were told and what we saw this year, Tyrese's work ethic won't hold him back from developing. I think his development arc could be the thing because what if he doesn't get a lot better this year? Texas is a school that you can be immediately recruited over at via HS or the transfer portal and I'm just not sure they'll allow him the time he may need.
I understand what you are saying but you can’t just make a size comp and stop. The reason guys his size are in the league is because they make shots at an incredibly high rate. Tyrese, right now, doesn’t. I get they are the same size, and the original post you replied to was a size comp, but this discussion is (or should be) bigger than that. There is a reason the guys you mentioned are good/great NBA players and it has little to do about their size, or lack thereof. They are the exception, not the rule.
The Tyrese NBA comps are tough. When you are talking about size, that's great that there are a handful of NBA guys are similar, but you could say that about millions of guys.
He's a tough kid with the right attitude and work ethic. He's got enough athleticism to play in the league.
But the other small guys that people are throwing out as comps like Lillard and VanVleet were guys that shot close to 40% from 3 in their college careers and were consistent 35-40% guys their whole career.
Not to say he isn't going to get there, but the reality for Tyrese is this. He shot much better down the stretch, but he still isn't a good shooter that has a low and slow release. So he's really starting from scratch. Some guys like Niang are good shooters that need to retool their shot. That's hard. Some guys have a workable shooting approach like Naz but just need some tweaks and tens of thousands of reps to get good. Tyrese has an unworkable shot at the NBA level, and isn't a good shooter.
So physically he's a guy that comps to a handful of guards in the NBA with absolute elite skills, and came into the league really polished. Wigginton was more explosive and was a lot better shooter, with an NBA ready shot form and approach. Lindell wasn't a good defender, but obviously there are coach and system factors there.
He's a tough kid with the right attitude and work ethic. He's got enough athleticism to play in the league.
But the other small guys that people are throwing out as comps like Lillard and VanVleet were guys that shot close to 40% from 3 in their college careers and were consistent 35-40% guys their whole career.
Not to say he isn't going to get there, but the reality for Tyrese is this. He shot much better down the stretch, but he still isn't a good shooter that has a low and slow release. So he's really starting from scratch. Some guys like Niang are good shooters that need to retool their shot. That's hard. Some guys have a workable shooting approach like Naz but just need some tweaks and tens of thousands of reps to get good. Tyrese has an unworkable shot at the NBA level, and isn't a good shooter.
So physically he's a guy that comps to a handful of guards in the NBA with absolute elite skills, and came into the league really polished. Wigginton was more explosive and was a lot better shooter, with an NBA ready shot form and approach. Lindell wasn't a good defender, but obviously there are coach and system factors there.
Tyrese does have a path to the NBA even with the lack of size due to his effort and production early in the career.
Really though I don't think this was future NBA decision rather than the fact he could get much more from his NIL prospects this year (potentially for the next 3) at Texas than at ISU.
Considering there has been such a debate on his NBA potential in this thread alone it justifies him getting as much money he can in college. We as Cyclone fans may not like it but from his life perspective it does make a lot of sense.
Really though I don't think this was future NBA decision rather than the fact he could get much more from his NIL prospects this year (potentially for the next 3) at Texas than at ISU.
Considering there has been such a debate on his NBA potential in this thread alone it justifies him getting as much money he can in college. We as Cyclone fans may not like it but from his life perspective it does make a lot of sense.
Sure I can, because the post I was responding to was about size.
No where did that post mention shooting abilities.
Even though the post you responded to was only talking about size you have to reply taking into account all of Tyrese's traits and abilities. YOU HAVE TO!
I think he is a guy that a team will sign to a two way and he will kind of toil in the GL for a few years with call ups every now and again and then he will have to decide if he wants to continue to do that or go overseas and make better money.
