Ok Fran calm down. If we take a guy that has no eligibility after next season that scholarship will open up again.
2022 Recruiting/Transfer Class
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Holy strawman. Theres no denying pretty much any d1 guard would have shot more efficiently than gabe on that many attempts. You dont need to be replacing him with a "stud shooter"
I didn’t see it as him having a massive ego. I saw it as him seeing his team needed him to be a threat from three. I fully believe he would have reduced his attempts if we had other options. He was wildly inconsistent on offense and I’m sure it was really frustrating for him too. I 100% believe TJ was telling him to keep shooting.
He should know that him taking 3's isn't going to help us if he's making 24% of them. He was consistent though. Consistently bad. With a couple outlier games.
This kid didn’t get much play as a freshman, but he was a top HS recruit out of Wisconsin. Seems like a kid we might recruit if he was still in HS.
We don’t win a couple big games without him.
I dont think we need to worry about overfilling. People will transfer out. Jaz and Gabe are gone for sure anyhow, Hunter could jump to the NBA. Jones and Grill would have their covid years but could easily be asked to move on.
There will be space. Do not worry about roster room for seasons in the future
There will be space. Do not worry about roster room for seasons in the future
Agree 100%. He carried us in a few big games no denying that. Throughout the season though his 3 point shooting hurt us a lot more than it helped us. Might have won a few more games if it wasn't for his terrible shooting.
I understand his offense hurt us in games, but I don’t think he was shooting due to Ego as stated above. He was shooting because his coach wanted him to and his team needed him to. We didn’t have better options. We only had one consistent offensive option. I hope we have more options this year and if we do I think his minutes and attempts go down.
He had a few high scoring games. We don’t know if we would have lost had he been unavailable- it’s not like we would have played 4 on 5.
If anything, those games show just how much better we would be if consistently had a good shooting guard on that type of usage.
I don’t think it was ego, but Gabe shooting 3s was not our only or best option. That’s on Gabe and TJ.
It wasn’t all personnel that limited our offense. But if it was, then it starts with Gabe, then the 5, followed by Hunter struggling to shoot and finish for much of the year. I think Hunter will improve, hopefully we recruit over our 5, but Gabe? By your logic and with IB gone he may jack up 270 3Ps as the roster stands today.
By my logic we need to have better scoring options at three of the other four positions on the floor either by player improvement or roster additions. Using the same logic, we should have players who can challenge Gabe for minutes. Your logic assumes no changes to our roster next year
I don't think anyone here thinks Gabe shot the ball well from three, at all. What we were all reacting to initially was the claim that Gabe shot so many threes because of his massive ego, which is a statement so dumb it challenges the bounds of the word.
Secondly, I think questioning TJ is fine. I think some of you guys don't live in reality w/r/t the skill level and contributions of the players who could have been taking Gabe's minutes, though. He was the 3rd option offensively. He played the third-most minutes. He took the third-most shots. He played at or above the level of IB and Hunter defensively. That's what a lot of non-elite teams' third options in college ball look like.
In our three NCAA games, Brockington went 15-46 from the floor and had 10 turnovers with just one assist. Those are bad numbers, and none of us would trade it for the incredible, incredible season he gave us. Gabe shot a little better during those three games and turned it over just as much, without an assist. Everyone on this team had fundamental flaws. Everyone had really bad shooting nights. And we still made the Sweet 16. I'm not sure if you think we should have gone further in the tournament but I think coaching + defense is what got us that far, so it seems like missing the forest for the trees when criticizing TJ for a tradeoff he was clearly making to get us as far as he could.
I also hope we bring in some guys who can shoot and just let Gabe focus on defense. But it's pretty embarrassing, in my opinion, to read people say things like they hope he doesn't come back or that his ego drove him to shoot when he was clearly just executing a gameplan as intructed--one that got us to the Sweet 16.
Secondly, I think questioning TJ is fine. I think some of you guys don't live in reality w/r/t the skill level and contributions of the players who could have been taking Gabe's minutes, though. He was the 3rd option offensively. He played the third-most minutes. He took the third-most shots. He played at or above the level of IB and Hunter defensively. That's what a lot of non-elite teams' third options in college ball look like.
In our three NCAA games, Brockington went 15-46 from the floor and had 10 turnovers with just one assist. Those are bad numbers, and none of us would trade it for the incredible, incredible season he gave us. Gabe shot a little better during those three games and turned it over just as much, without an assist. Everyone on this team had fundamental flaws. Everyone had really bad shooting nights. And we still made the Sweet 16. I'm not sure if you think we should have gone further in the tournament but I think coaching + defense is what got us that far, so it seems like missing the forest for the trees when criticizing TJ for a tradeoff he was clearly making to get us as far as he could.
I also hope we bring in some guys who can shoot and just let Gabe focus on defense. But it's pretty embarrassing, in my opinion, to read people say things like they hope he doesn't come back or that his ego drove him to shoot when he was clearly just executing a gameplan as intructed--one that got us to the Sweet 16.
What?
Who mentioned any assumptions about next year? It was clearly satirical to point out how flawed your assertion in last year was.
We’re talking about Gabe’s role last year, and that he was the foremost issue with our offense. He wasn’t forced into bad shots because of our offense as much as our offense was bad because of Gabe.
Whether Gabe is in the same role next year is to be determined
It’s very optimistic to think it’s normal for teams to have their third most volume guy be that bad on offense. His defense wasn’t enough above his teammates to offset. Elite team defense is about everyone doing their job more than one guy standing out.
Gabe was the only person on the team with a negative BPM. That’s legitimately hard to do for as much time and volume as he got.
Look, I get that Gabe is really good on defense. I know it doesn't tell the whole story but if he was truly such an outlier on defense you would think he would have been first team all-conference defensively. And he truly has to be an outlier on defense because he is on offense.
You cannot tell a shooter who has been chronically streaky to stop shooting because he’ll get in his head more than he already is. Gabe works his tail off for this team and he was who we needed him to be it he wouldn’t have played. We don’t beat Wisconsin without him.
