That doesn't mean jack when you make up your mind to hate the coach before the first game of the season.
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For those arguing over Prohm/McDermott.
Prohm is by far the worse Xs and Os coach, but McDermott had worse seasons.
McDermott took a poor starting situation and extended it worse. Prohm took an amazing starting situation and cratered it.
McDermott was boring. Prohm was inept.
McDermott was not fired, Prohm was.
Glad both eras are over. I give the advantage to McDermott over Prohm.
Prohm is by far the worse Xs and Os coach, but McDermott had worse seasons.
McDermott took a poor starting situation and extended it worse. Prohm took an amazing starting situation and cratered it.
McDermott was boring. Prohm was inept.
McDermott was not fired, Prohm was.
Glad both eras are over. I give the advantage to McDermott over Prohm.
He still is the worst basketball coach at ISU since before Johnny Orr's time. Can't say I know anything about ISU bball before then.
No strong opinion on the McD vs Prohm debate, but I have to call a technical foul on the Putin reference.
YepI guess 2018 when Bruce Weber and the unranked wildcats had a cake walk to the elite 8 with games vs the 8, 16 and 5 seed before losing to 11 seed Loyola was a better season than anything Iowa State has had in 20 seasons then
Disagree and further evidence. Where's your evidence?
Put those last four seasons together (Prohm's guys) and he was 18-54 (.250) in the big 12. McDermott was 18-46 (.281).
You can't credit the shayok season successes while also discounting 2-22/0-18 ending.
He won <15 games three times. No coach post Johnny Orr did that more than once.
umm 2000 was 22 years ago and I said 20 seasons, not 22. So no…
By your logic, KSU’s elite 8 season where they cakewalked before losing to an 11 seed is better than any ISU season over the past 20 seasons. It would also apply that the weaker mid-major teams that make the sweet 16 every couple of years had better seasons than that 2015 ISU team by your rationale.
Um...the KSU Elite Eight season happened in 2018, notably within the 20 year time period you originally specified.
Beat Iona and Little Rock. Not exactly a huge accomplishment and doesn’t erase the fact we finished #22 with a loaded roster. Major head scratcher how we were squeaking into the top 25 with Burton coming off the bench.
Past 20 seasons. KSU 2018 season was the best of either ISU/KSU seasons in past 20 by the logic you stated. Are you reading my posts or just adding in new interpretations…?
This isn't hard dude. You asked me about a Kansas State run to the Elite Eight being better than anything that Iowa State had done in the last 20 years; I gave you the 2000 ISU team as a counterpoint. Since the Kansas State team you referenced happened in 2018 it stands to reason that my answer falls within the arbitrary standard of time that you established.
3 NCAA tournaments
2 time Big 12 tournament championships
1 Sweet 16
Also I'll count each season he was the head coach like he was the head coach because he was the head coach.
McDoormat never finished above 2nd to last in the Big 12. Please list McDermott's achievements that equal Prohms while at ISU.
Prohm recruited some excellent players. Prohm was a terrible Coach. Players won games despite his poor coaching.
He was 97-95 over 6 years after following the best 4 years in Cyclone history and inheriting a very good roster. He was 40-68 in Big 12 play over that six year stretch. I’m grateful for the Sweet 16 and the 2 Big 12 titles. I still feel like that 16-17 roster was equipped to make a run.
Greg didn’t accomplish anything in his time here. That being said it’s a bit disingenuous to compare both of them on record alone as they inherited two very different scenarios.
It would be like comparing Chizik to whoever comes after Campbell (if that coach runs us back into 2-10 six years from now). That new coach will likely go to 2-3 bowl games based upon what Campbell left him but if we end up back at 2-10 he will be held in worse regard than Chizik.
I'm not saying he was a great coach, I'm fact he sucked overall. I'm just saying he is better than the worst basketball coach at ISU in my lifetime.
We were only 1 year removed from making the NCAA tournament comparing that to the dumpster fire that was our football program prior to Campbell is disingenuous.
Prohms starting point was as good as we’ve ever had, but was set to be short-lived. Fred had basically stopped recruiting and the transfer well has dried up for him. Here were Fred’s last two classes.
2015 - Nick Noskowiak, Brady Ernst, Simeon Carter
2014 - Giorgis Tsalmpouris and Clayton Custer (who signed very early)
People get really fixated on the two classes Fred left for Steve (Thomas/Morris and Niang/Long) but there was literally nothing after that.
Steve did a decent job with recruiting, but a few did not pan out to be what we thought (see Terrence Lewis) or left early (Wiggington, Lard, THT, Haliburton). 2019 was what killed him with class of Grill, Leech, Anderson, Jackson. Did not have enough to make up for all the other departures. Keeping in mind our starting 5 that year could have included Haliburton, Wiggington, and THT to go along with some serviceable bigs (young, Lard, Condit, etc). That team would have been really really good.
I am not defending Steve. What happened happened and he obviously had a huge hand in it as leader of the program. But people overstate what Fred left him if you look past the first year. There was literally no frosh/Soph talent on that roster and some of our worst recruiting classes ever.
2015 - Nick Noskowiak, Brady Ernst, Simeon Carter
2014 - Giorgis Tsalmpouris and Clayton Custer (who signed very early)
People get really fixated on the two classes Fred left for Steve (Thomas/Morris and Niang/Long) but there was literally nothing after that.
Steve did a decent job with recruiting, but a few did not pan out to be what we thought (see Terrence Lewis) or left early (Wiggington, Lard, THT, Haliburton). 2019 was what killed him with class of Grill, Leech, Anderson, Jackson. Did not have enough to make up for all the other departures. Keeping in mind our starting 5 that year could have included Haliburton, Wiggington, and THT to go along with some serviceable bigs (young, Lard, Condit, etc). That team would have been really really good.
I am not defending Steve. What happened happened and he obviously had a huge hand in it as leader of the program. But people overstate what Fred left him if you look past the first year. There was literally no frosh/Soph talent on that roster and some of our worst recruiting classes ever.
