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Official Announcement of TJ as the New Iowa State Mens BBall Coach

Anyone who thinks that McDermott was better than Prohm either is too young to remember the McDermott era, or his nephew is back on the board.

McDermott is inarguably the worst ISU coach in the post-Orr era and it's not even a debate. McDermott never made post season play of any kind. McDermott never won a game in the Big 12 tournament. McDermott never beat a ranked team in Hilton. He did all of this with 5-6 guys over his tenure that made NBA rosters.

He's clearly a good basketball coach as evidenced by his career before and after, but he was unmitigated disaster/flaming dumpster fire in Ames. It was a truly joyless 5 years.
 
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LincolnSwinger said:
Having your guy in mind and knowing it will be a good working relationship <> “the buddy system”. That’s just a cartoonish view of how Jamie does his job that frankly needs to be retired.
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It has worked out this year and I am thrilled, but let’s not act like TJs track record showed he was a can’t miss, won’t even bother with any other candidates hire. He won at SDSU but his best player was already established, and he was very average at UNLV trying to do the same thing he did this year (getting old players out and establishing his culture). Hindsight is 2020 and he has done a tremendous job so far, but I still don’t like how the hire appeared to go.
 
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Al_4_State said:
Anyone who thinks that McDermott was better than Prohm either is too young to remember the McDermott era, or his nephew is back on the board.

McDermott is inarguably the worst ISU coach in the post-Orr era and it's not even a debate. McDermott never made post season play of any kind. McDermott never won a game in the Big 12 tournament. McDermott never beat a ranked team in Hilton. He did all of this with 5-6 guys over his tenure that made NBA rosters.

He's clearly a good basketball coach as evidenced by his career before and after, but he was unmitigated disaster/flaming dumpster fire in Ames. It was a truly joyless 5 years.
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Worst season record in Iowa State History. Killed Hilton Magic. Worst Coach is Prohm.
 
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BryceC said:
Prohm made the tourney and won a Big 12 tourney with a team consisting of all of his guys. Overall Prohm is nowhere near McD. As a coach for ISU, he's much better.
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Kind of reminds me of the posters who insist that McD was a better coach here then Wayne Morgan, overall and season records and postseasons be damned, because of his X's and O's acumen and how well he's done at Creighton since then.

All of that X's and O's knowledge didn't amount to jack sh!t here.
 
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Al_4_State said:
Anyone who thinks that McDermott was better than Prohm either is too young to remember the McDermott era, or his nephew is back on the board.

McDermott is inarguably the worst ISU coach in the post-Orr era and it's not even a debate. McDermott never made post season play of any kind. McDermott never won a game in the Big 12 tournament. McDermott never beat a ranked team in Hilton. He did all of this with 5-6 guys over his tenure that made NBA rosters.

He's clearly a good basketball coach as evidenced by his career before and after, but he was unmitigated disaster/flaming dumpster fire in Ames. It was a truly joyless 5 years.
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He didn't get fired. We were willing to have him back.
 
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AllInForISU said:
To be fair, Greg couldn’t kill Hilton magic, it was already dead when he got there.

If we want to evaluate coaches, Fred did less with more than maybe any coach in ISU history.
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It may not have been Johnny level "magic" but Wayne didn't kill it.

His last season was 16-14/6-10.

And of those 10 conference losses........5 were by a total of 14 points. That is how close they were to having a 20+ win season. That's with an entire new frontcourt, and their best recruit (Taggert) sick all year.

Wayne's team's played up tempo and a Syracuse type of zone. When they were on it was fun.....and when not....well. But Hilton could get rolling when Wayne's teams were going. Never heard that with Greg.......never.

So Greg cooked it, Fred brought it back and Steve cooked it again his last 2 seasons.

We will see what TJ can do.
 
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Cyrealist said:
He didn't get fired. We were willing to have him back.
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Pollard was about the only one and that was more contract driven than results driven. Nobody was excited about the prospect of him coming back for another year, and he would've been dead man walking.

The fact that there's a legit debate over which coach sucked more is depressing in and of itself. It's like choosing between a hangover and food poisoning...they're both awful. We're not Duke, but we've got a better recent history than to have two absolute turds like this in the last 15ish years.

That said, I'm firmly in the McDoormat camp. Granted, Prohm's (rock) bottom was much worse, but his highs were much higher as well. At his best most would say Prohm underachieved. We never got to where many thought we should given the talent, but there were some nice wins sprinkled in and some fun runs in KC Chewy never even achieved. Hilton was dead, we were one and done in KC every year, and you never even had any optimism that it could get better.

I'm glad to have them both behind us. Hopefully TJ uses this year's momentum and really ramps up the level of talent to where it needs to be to consistently compete in the Big 12 going forward.
 
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ca4cy said:
Pollard was about the only one and that was more contract driven than results driven. Nobody was excited about the prospect of him coming back for another year, and he would've been dead man walking.

The fact that there's a legit debate over which coach sucked more is depressing in and of itself. It's like choosing between a hangover and food poisoning...they're both awful. We're not Duke, but we've got a better recent history than to have two absolute turds like this in the last 15ish years.

That said, I'm firmly in the McDoormat camp. Granted, Prohm's (rock) bottom was much worse, but his highs were much higher as well. At his best most would say Prohm underachieved. We never got to where many thought we should given the talent, but there were some nice wins sprinkled in and some fun runs in KC Chewy never even achieved. Hilton was dead, we were one and done in KC every year, and you never even had any optimism that it could get better.

I'm glad to have them both behind us. Hopefully TJ uses this year's momentum and really ramps up the level of talent to where it needs to be to consistently compete in the Big 12 going forward.
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CSP was at his best when he got out of the way and let the players coach themselves. As soon as he got involved, he made things significantly - HISTORICALLY - worse.

Literally his most effective coaching strategy was pretending to be Sgt. Hulka.

Greg was bad, and there was indeed no joy in Mudville. But we didn't get run out of our own gym by Milwaukee or become FAMU's first P5 win.
 
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CascadeClone said:
CSP was at his best when he got out of the way and let the players coach themselves. As soon as he got involved, he made things significantly - HISTORICALLY - worse.

Literally his most effective coaching strategy was pretending to be Sgt. Hulka.

Greg was bad, and there was indeed no joy in Mudville. But we didn't get run out of our own gym by Milwaukee or become FAMU's first P5 win.
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And Chewy was the opposite end of the spectrum. He couldn't get out of the way if his life depended on it. Things would get tight and he'd flip to page 847 of the playbook instead of coaching up and trusting the players to handle it.

Prohm had signature losses, no doubt, but McD had exactly one signature win, and it was his 2nd to last (iirc the KState road win correctly) game as coach and there was really nothing to be built from it.

Again, levels of suck.
 
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That was clearly step 1, but he didn't start going 14-17 every year since Doug left, so I'd guess there's a little more to it than that.
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Someone said they don’t want lightning in a bottle, they want long term success. Long term success starts with lightning in a bottle.
 
AllInForISU said:
It has worked out this year and I am thrilled, but let’s not act like TJs track record showed he was a can’t miss, won’t even bother with any other candidates hire. He won at SDSU but his best player was already established, and he was very average at UNLV trying to do the same thing he did this year (getting old players out and establishing his culture). Hindsight is 2020 and he has done a tremendous job so far, but I still don’t like how the hire appeared to go.
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Who should we have gotten? We went 0-18 in conference last year lol. Also take note of what we’re paying TJ.
 
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AllInForISU said:
To be fair, Greg couldn’t kill Hilton magic, it was already dead when he got there.

If we want to evaluate coaches, Fred did less with more than maybe any coach in ISU history.
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This is MAJOR revisionist history. Hilton Magic was alive and well into Wayne Morgan’s final year. McDermott killed it.
 
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If you spend years in the woods beating all the dead horses yelling about Prohm, Morgan, and McD, and no one is around to hear it, is Nebraska still the worst?
 
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AllInForISU said:
It has worked out this year and I am thrilled, but let’s not act like TJs track record showed he was a can’t miss, won’t even bother with any other candidates hire. He won at SDSU but his best player was already established, and he was very average at UNLV trying to do the same thing he did this year (getting old players out and establishing his culture). Hindsight is 2020 and he has done a tremendous job so far, but I still don’t like how the hire appeared to go.
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If it ends up working out who ******* cares how the hire was done? It's Pollards job to hire a coach that can be successfull at ISU, and the early returns are as good as you could possibly hope for. We're you this pissed when he hired Fred? That was a far bigger reach than TJ. Let it go.
 
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