Officiating travesty in Lawrence
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I think you and I are making the same points although different ways. It is not level playing field so all the more reason we have to execute to a greater degree than we usually do. Every unforced error be it a stupid pass, blown layup, bad rotation on defense, missed free throw (particularly front end of one and one) has more significance in that game than say TCU at Hilton.
because most football leagues have divisions. We did everything and more than Iowa ever did to win a conference title. They never won one with a top 20 SOS and before the the era of championship games, they always tied for the title with the team they DIDN'T PLAY!!!
AND therefore the addition of completely blown calls to the typical calls that get the 6-8 point advantage for KU is why these folks are complaining.
We know we need to be 6-8 points better than them, we therefore need to play more mistake free and excellent basketball to win and everyone knows it. But, just because it is true, does that make it right and give us no grounds on which to complain about the missing of a vital, unquestionable call in an important part of the game that would literally have changed everything about the last 2 minutes and how it was played by both teams?
It would have changed the game not only strategically, but mentally. In most years a close game at the end benefits KU, because they have more mentally tough players who have a lot of confidence because of their talents. This year, I'd put money on our guys having more metal toughness than KU.
Anyone seen any update on JCL? Someone posted elsewhere that he was done for the night. I don’t think it was intentional but he took a pretty hard hit.
At some point if we’re looking at hypotheticals the most obvious hypothetical is just what if obvious calls were called according to the rules.
KU was throwing the ball away constantly. I can’t look back and think ISU needed to be more perfect without asking why KU gets to make a ton of mistakes while also being allowed to goaltend.
The infamous Niang foul game @HILTON for example…the obvious thing is that the refs swung that game. ISU had outplayed them and the game only went to OT by layering a bunch of laughable calls on top of each other in the final minute. It’s a stretch to look at something like that and say just one team needed to play better to counter the screw job.
Why are people that were already permabanned allowed to create a different profile and start posting again? Get this loser out of here
All he does is expose the arrogance of KU fans. I don’t mind it.
He was running to the defensive side, so you think he was dealing a guy out on defense 60 foot away. Dumb.
To be clear, your "definition" is not the rule book definition, it is the Wikipedia definition. Here's the rule book (see page 47): https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR22.pdf
I guess as long as you consider the action to be excessive, that means that it would be a flagrant by your reasoning. But the definition of excessive in the rule book is "unwarranted or too much." To me, a play like Jones's where he was boxing out and establishing position, he made a regular motion, far from excessive. If it wasn't above the shoulders, we wouldn't be talking about it as excessive. If you deem that excessive (and you determine that partly based on JCL's reaction), then I'd say you can make an argument for the moving screen as excessive, based in part on Kalscheur's reaction.
Referees stop play when they see that a player is clearly bleeding. It is standard operating procedure. JCL was clearly bleeding so they reviewed why and deemed what they saw to be a flagrant foul.
This is true. There is no rule that a foul needs to be originally called for them to review what happened and call a flagrant based on what they see. And it isn't out of the ordinary for them to do so.
If he didn't elbow him in the head and draw blood then yes, I agree that it likely would not have been called "excessive" and assigned a flagrant 1.
But he did.
Kansas fans are literally the only fans in the country that won't acknowledge that officials absolutely sh!t themselves in that building. This isn't an Iowa State/Kansas thing this is a historical pattern of blown calls and weird **** benefiting Kansas in the Phog. It's almost comedy at this point.
Anyone have a reason why Jones was called for a flagrant 1? It certainly didn't fit the parameters of an F1. Also, did anyone catch the ref explaining the call to Self have have nice chuckle? Wonder what that may have been..
They officials stood at the monitor for so long it was pretty damn clear that they wanted to call it a F1.
So, the officials can stop play after a change of possession, given a player is bleeding and then go and investigate why it happened, debate on the actual situation for minutes, and then assess what is a foul when no foul was originally called, because they missed it. (Not arguing the foul here, just setting up a situation.)
But, they can't stop the game or review at clock stoppage a non-debatable, provable rule infraction like basket interference off the backboard if they don't make the call originally, because they missed it.
Pretty stupid, unequal application of the rules that are supposed to provide an even playing field. One way or another folks.
