Exactly. The fact Tuco is defending Jones's flagrant kills all credibility he thought he had.
Officiating travesty in Lawrence
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Exactly. The fact Tuco is defending Jones's flagrant kills all credibility he thought he had.
I never watch the 2 Kansas games live every year, I just get too worked up during the games after watching years and years of screw jobs down there.
I'm not shocked at all with the goal-tend, refs are completely incompetent and corrupt.
The last one I watched live was the Big 12 tourney game back in '14 I think. Self was completely out of control but they T'd up Fred when he actually showed some emotion and stuck up for his team.
I'm not shocked at all with the goal-tend, refs are completely incompetent and corrupt.
The last one I watched live was the Big 12 tourney game back in '14 I think. Self was completely out of control but they T'd up Fred when he actually showed some emotion and stuck up for his team.
Feel free to provide me some sort of rule book definition of a flagrant 1 in NCAA basketball that would define that play as a flagrant 1. I'll be happy to admit I am wrong if you can.
Did McCormack swing his elbow while in a standard screen setting position? I must have missed that."Swung his elbow"
If the fix was in by the refs then the illegal screen by McCormack with less than a minute left does not get called. That gets ignored 10 times a game and could have easily been ignored once again.
I don't think people are arguing that McCormack's should be a flagrant, in a vacuum. However, it was MUCH closer to a flagrant than Jones's. That you're characterizing Jones moving his elbows to run as "swinging his elbow" in a non- basketball move is laughable and pathetic. Aka, par for the course when you come here after a KU screw job.
So you think that a shoulder to the eye socket of a player trying to get past you is not 'excessive or severe'? It was enough to put Kalscheur straight to the floor and it sure didn't look like an act.
I’ll let you have your orgasm over that and pretend nothing else has happened for decades that benefits KU.
Ask George Conditt how many times a game that hip check screen at the three point line gets ignored.
Jones lifted his elbow and hit the guy behind him in the face. How is that NOT a flagrant? Seriously, give me a reason why it's not. I provided the definition:
" A flagrant 1 foul (men's) or unsportsmanlike foul (women's) involves excessive or severe contact during a live ball, including especially when a player "swings an elbow and makes illegal, non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders". This offense includes the former "intentional foul" of fouling an opposing player to prevent an easy breakaway score. In women's basketball only, the unsportsmanlike foul also includes contact dead-ball technical fouls. The penalty for a flagrant 1 or unsportsmanlike foul is two free throws and a throw-in for the opposing team at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul. "
Was it excessive? Yes, it drew blood.
Did he swing his elbow? Yes, His arm was raised and moved to the back (no it was not with intention to hit him).
Did the elbow make illegal contact with a player above the shoulder? Yes. Clearly.
This is a poorly worded rule that was a bad attempt to remove the refs from trying to determine "intent". Now they just say that if you raise your arm up and elbow someone in the face while in a non-basketball move that it is a flagrant 1.
you are such a f**king clown if you think he “swung” his elbow. He was going down the lane and quickly tried to change direction. Have you ever seen someone doe that with their hands down by their side? Have you ever seen any kind of basketball play where they have their hands down by their side? JCL was up in his body so much Jones barely had his elbow extended behind his frame? It was nearly parallel to his body.
My guess is that he gets called for about 1 out of 3 of them, same as McCormack. It gets ignored all game, otherwise both teams would spend the whole game at the line.
His arm moved in a running motion. Headbutting a moving arm should not generate a flagrant call.
Again, you are trying to determine intent. It doesn't matter what he was trying to do. The rule is "keep track of your elbows or get called". Period.
If you are running down the court and elbow a dude in the face, it can be called a flagrant. It is dumb, I agree, but it is the way the rule is now written. And he wasn't running, he was starting to seal the guy out for post position so spare me that one. He was facing the side line, not the end line. Not many players I know run sideways.
On/off topic question.
Why are regular season conference championships not awarded for football, but are for basketball?
Basketball championships have always been determined by tournaments.
Kind of casts a light on some supposed "championship" records
Why are regular season conference championships not awarded for football, but are for basketball?
Basketball championships have always been determined by tournaments.
Kind of casts a light on some supposed "championship" records
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He slid into Gabe and leaned his shoulder. A screen that hard gets called every f**king time unless your position is finely established and you’re totally straight up.
You know your problem is that you’re so used to home cooking at the Phog you literally don’t even know the actual rules of basketball anymore.
Enjoy your “win” and look forward to you guys getting bounced by a 7 seed first weekend of the tourney again. Must suck to be a “blue blood” that falls short of your expectations every single year.
And if you set an illegal screen with your shoulder, you can be called for a flagrant. The contact from McCormack was far more excessive than anything Jones did.
LOL get your KU glasses off and rewatch that play. Jones stopped and his momentum caused his elbow to go backwards. He didn’t swing his elbow that’s just the way his body was moving. When you’re 6” taller than someone your elbow is going to be face level to then almost all the time. That’s not a clear flagrant and shouldn’t have been called a flagrant. It’s 100% a judgement call and the refs got it wrong. JUST like they flat out missed the goaltending call.
It’s no doubt a foul on Jones but to call that a flagrant is so suspect. Both announcers even agreed.
