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[BillBrasky4Cy]

I agree with what many are saying here. Right now the students are taking up donor seats, and that is a problem. What is going to have to happen fairly soon is not only is this going to have to change but also the student sections will have to increase some. So in turn finishing the NEZ then putting the students there, plus the band. Then completing the regular bowl seating with donors as is now. Finally adding a club section to the West side like on the East flanked by suites on both sides to make up for the lost suites on the West side.

Finally when that is done you expand the press/skybox to include a club section and suites. When the demand is needed. The NEZ is needed more than the Box at this point because the overall seating, it gives you a chance to move the students and increase their seats, plus, adding seating to every level of current ticket prices up to gold, plus adding another club section both on the West and possibly depending on the NEZ design on the North.

But it could be that they complete the NEZ bowl like they wanted to do originally to the SEZ with just a straight double deck bowl to make room for the students. A lot can be done but I think the students need to be move to the corner or NEZ at sometime in the near future.

Another reason to lose the lawn on the hills.

Even if there was a NEZ project the students aren't moving.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I mean, we've gotta be coming near max in terms of number of season tickets you can sell. Sure, you can just proceed to jack the prices up, but long term you do damage to the very strategies that built the fanbase in the first place, the effects of which other schools are seeing in diminishing attendance today.

Not everything is immediate ROI. When it comes to college athletics you're often talking about building ROI 20+ years down the road if you're doing it right.

Yeah you have to be careful with the pricing/donation requirements. Ask Gary Barta about that....

 

[2speedy1]

Good luck with north end zone seating. You can generate a ROI with luxury seating in the south end zone. Students will never allow you to have a ROI. At this point in time the conversion of the student section to donor seats is supplying something that isn't demanded.

I think you have to look at the corners in a NEZ plan for the students. Those would not be high value seats and not donor seats. In turn shifting the students to the corners, from say the nondonor sections on the side through the corner, then actually selling the donor seats at the higher value plus donation, you would increase your ROI. Because you are earning way more on something you were not earning much before. there are a lot of high value seats in the student section that could be shifted to the corner(low value section) this increases the ROI.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I think you have to look at the corners in a NEZ plan for the students. Those would not be high value seats and not donor seats. In turn shifting the students to the corners, from say the nondonor sections on the side through the corner, then actually selling the donor seats at the higher value plus donation, you would increase your ROI. Because you are earning way more on something you were not earning much before. there are a lot of high value seats in the student section that could be shifted to the corner(low value section) this increases the ROI.

It's not just a bout ROI. The students deserve the experience they get in the current sections and there is no way JP is going to fleece them for a few more bucks. These people are potential future season ticket holders and donors.

 

[Clonedogg]

Not for or against but having the students in a bowled in NEZ, could increase homefield advantage when opponents are in that end. carry on!

 

[TXCyclones]

It's not just a bout ROI. The students deserve the experience they get in the current sections and there is no way JP is going to fleece them for a few more bucks. These people are potential future season ticket holders and donors.

Agreed. I know ISU has dramatically more students than Baylor, but I wish we'd do something like the Freshman Line to indoctrinate them early into ISU fandom.

 

[Remo Gaggi]

Again, I was not commenting on the usage of the box and dang sure don't care what you use for terminology to describe the box. I'm saying that when you walk up to their stadium, it looks very nice and first class with all the limestone that matches their campus. Not once did I say we needed to have a bigger "box". We could certainly keep upgrading the outside of the stadium to match the SEZ and now the NEZ however.

It's not a good idea to brag about having a big box.

 

[surly]

The new $25 million K-State south end zone project adds suites plus a lot of other stuff connecting to the basketball arena. It validates much of what is said here about the value of expanding the private suite/box revenue stream.

 

[RustShack]

How many seats do you add by taking away the hillsides?

One problem with a lot of football stadiums is they price out the rabid fans that give them the home field advantage. Sure you make more money catering to the people with more money, but you tend to lose the wild fans who created the atmosphere in the first place.

I say that as someone who used to only be able to afford the cheap seats growing up and having known many rabid fans in the same boat.

 

[TXCyclones]

The new $25 million K-State south end zone project adds suites plus a lot of other stuff connecting to the basketball arena. It validates much of what is said here about the value of expanding the private suite/box revenue stream.

Still ugly.

 

[Aclone]

Good luck with north end zone seating. You can generate a ROI with luxury seating in the south end zone. Students will never allow you to have a ROI. At this point in time the conversion of the student section to donor seats is supplying something that isn't demanded.

Some of you guys have are missing something. The ROI on student seating is simply longer term. Where do you think all those current donors came from, anyway?

 

[2speedy1]

It's not just a bout ROI. The students deserve the experience they get in the current sections and there is no way JP is going to fleece them for a few more bucks. These people are potential future season ticket holders and donors.

How many other stadiums have students on the side damn near to mid field..... Not many. This is my super fast photoshop of what Im taliking about. Do they move sure. but still have some on the side. You also are complaining about an experience and moving people to the endzone when we have some of our most expensive seats in our SEZ.

Sorry but in the end it is till about money and when there is demand for more seats for donors....LIKE THIS YEAR, students will end up shifting to the cheaper seats.

Again this is a super quick photoshop job and I know the NEZ wont mirror the SEZ but it is just an example of what I mean. This shifts the students, increases the student seating, and also expands donor seating on the East side into former student sections.

 

[Aclone]

Thanks for the feedback! I hesitated on posting because I remember seeing your post. But the lighting was just too good not to share. I think mine was aided by not having interior lighting on in the CSP and more ambient light at dusk keeping the stadium lights from washing out the colors.

I like that image so much, I’d used it as my profile pic…if I’d been the one to come up with it.

 

[cyfan92]

Depends whether you're talking short or long term. Iowa State has grown attendance while others have shrank in large part due to long term strategies that provide many options at varying price points to get people in the stadium. At some point if we hit a ceiling and start converting seats to premium options without replacing those with additional cheap seats, we'll do the same long-term damage a lot of other schools are now feeling.

Also, we already have something akin to 'suites' for much of the east side- the jack trice club section. That isn't going away.

What i'd like to see someday is for that concept to be extended full length on the east side, the student section be converted to normal season tickets, and then NEZ seating built to hold students, probably with a larger allotment than they get now (there are a good deal more students than when the allotment was set originally).

The other day in the CW and Blum pod, they talked about surpassing Iowa in ticket sales. I think that's really the next step- having a 70k stadium of our own.

Couldn't disagree more. Fans with less money watch the game at home. I wish this wasn't the case as someone who isn't "rich". But we are only able to tailgate where we do because we pool multiple families together. There is backlog of people wanting to get into the SEZ and all the suites are sold out. You build more suites before anything else.. End of the conversation

 

[surly]

Still ugly.

You may find it that way, not arguing. I wouldn't enjoy being in there as a visitor either. My point was simply that the renovation was all about adding suites to the football stadium. By doing so, the long-term stadium plan is now complete.

 

[2speedy1]

You may find it that way, not arguing. I wouldn't enjoy being in there as a visitor either. My point was simply that the renovation was all about adding suites to the football stadium. By doing so, the long-term stadium plan is now complete.

What is your infatuation with italics? It's almost as bad as caps lock.

 

[Aclone]

How many seats do you add by taking away the hillsides?

One problem with a lot of football stadiums is they price out the rabid fans that give them the home field advantage. Sure you make more money catering to the people with more money, but you tend to lose the wild fans who created the atmosphere in the first place.

I say that as someone who used to only be able to afford the cheap seats growing up and having known many rabid fans in the same boat.

That’s why you make plans for additional “cheap seats” and a family zone as part of the project, along with the high end portions.

 

[cyfan92]

Pollard called the Stark Performance center's view of JTS the best view on campus.. The are not getting rid of that view any time soon. You are delusional if you actually think that happens

 

[cyfan92]

Getting kids to run around on a grassy hillside for cheap has a MUCH higher ROI than paving those seats into concrete and putting mobile pass season ticket holders there.

KIds parents buy drinks, food and swag. Kids someday will pay tuition to ISU and later on become donors sitting at midfield.

A bunch of middle aged people paying for a mobile pass NEZ seat don't even sniff the potential of those hillsides

 

[2speedy1]

Pollard called the Stark Performance center's view of JTS the best view on campus.. The are not getting rid of that view any time soon. You are delusional if you actually think that happens

This may be true, I heard a rumor from someone that CMC and Pollard have both expressed wanted to go UP on the sides before doing anything with the NEZ. Meaning they want either a 3rd deck or skybox on one or both sides before doing anything to the NEZ. Take that for what its worth it is a rumor, that someone supposedly heard from inside the program.

But with that in mind you could still do the lower bowl without changing the view from the SPC.