CycloneErik
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The conference schedule didn't change. The noncon schedule wasn't that tough.
It's a buzzsaw because we stink.
Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?
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The conference schedule didn't change. The noncon schedule wasn't that tough.
It's a buzzsaw because we stink.
14 of the 19 losses were versus teams ranked 18 or higher.
CycloneErik
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And a competent program would handle plenty of those games.
Unless there's a schedule disparity, everyone in the conference has those games, yet we're threatening to be the 4th team ever in Big 12 play to run the table.
The schedule is a loser's excuse. Everyone plays it. We're just historically bad.
Well here is my take on Fred too .... He hasn’t enjoyed or been happy coaching since he left here. If anyone watched him like I have when he was at the Bulls and now at Nebby he looks miserable. He left here for a huge opportunity for the Bulls where he played as well and a huge paycheck and a different challenge after what he did at Iowa State. Well he went to a program that hasn’t been the same since Jordan and the ungrateful fans and very demanding fan base blamed him and wanted him gone even though he was working with what the GM was giving him and that’s more of the problem than what he was doing. Now he’s at a program that at the time seem low risk and good pay and his family has a legacy there and he’s not happy. We are allowed to make mistakes where we go and what we do so that doesn’t diminish what he did here and why he left. I highly doubt there is one person that wouldn’t leave a job they love to challenge themselves to a bigger job that pays 5 times more than what they make now. So if he wants back great we know what he can do. If not let’s not settle for a maybe up and comer . I love the idea that he does when he hired CMC differently than previous coaches they hired .... you bring a coach in with a good staff that is proven and you bring success in faster and keep them together. When SP lost TJ and Berry and I think not keep Mann has made it where the current staff as a whole isn’t great at all.
It was my attempt at humor (leaning into things he used to say as well as the 'agony" some of us still feel)...agree...it'd only be coach speak and future focused
As tough as the football schedules were in the past I can't remember a year when there was such a high percentage of losses to ranked opponents.
All of our hires? I think Chizik and Hoiberg were pretty big names.
All those guys improved under Prohm as well, especially Nader.
The five unranked losses are to #114 SDSU, #204 KSU, #79 Miss St. by FORTY, #121 TCU twice.
It's almost like the opponent doesn't matter unless they are #342 AR-Pine Bluff or #271 Jackson St.
Point is the football schedules weren't really that tough because ISU was just that bad. It was the most reliable excuse out there.
If ISU were even a decent basketball team or there were better trends in closing out important parts of games they would at least have a few wins.
Yep....so true about nostalgia and how we do that as fans and also to justify something....another example is narratives about coaches "Matt is from Ohio..he's a midwest guy" (but his hometown is a lot closer to Philly/NYC than it is to Ames) Even Fred, what he may have liked/disliked about Ames could change (as his kids have gotten older,etc).
But yeah......it's ok to say Troy Davis was great....but also someone else may be greater....or that Johnny Orr birthed Hilton Magic...but also didn't have the best winning percentage, etc. Nostalgia....confirmation bias...lots of fun stuff with fandom.
The problem is that this not a 1 year problem. Last year was bad, as was 2017/2018. His first year was his best from a tournament standpoint, and that was the stacked roster with Fred's players. His second best (best from a record standpoint) was his second year - once again with a heavy dose of Fred players. After that, it has been a mess - including 2018/2019 with all the drama in the locker room. I hate to say it because I really did support this staff for a while, but if you look at each year independently, we probably underperformed in each one.
Had we gone like 7-11 in conference I would have strongly argued that we got screwed because we never got to play a bunch of early games and we would have likely gotten a lot of those wins later. As it sits, nah, not an excuse.
For sure. And I don't think even the original poster is saying that as some sort of get out of jail for free card for Prohm. Just more of an observation.
I do think that some people get a bit crabby if anything even resembling an excuse is talked about.
Why do you think his coaching success in the NBA with the Bulls is more relevant than his coaching successs in the Big 12 at ISU? We would be hiring him to win at ISU, not in the NBA.
Not ignoring any data points. I’m just evaluating them in the proper context. And his recruiting was just fine until he had one food out the door. Left a great team to his replacement.
CycloneErik
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Exceptions, of course, but most of us would probably agree, and we'd use it as a valid way to tell ourselves that we were making some real progress as a team. Most likely, we would be in that case, and we'd be having a great time.
