CycloneErik
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Oh, we all know that we're either keeping a terrible coach or underpaying in a gamble on the next one.
It's something with upside, even pretend upside, to talk about during another poor season.
What to do with Coach Prohm Poll..
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Oh, we all know that we're either keeping a terrible coach or underpaying in a gamble on the next one.
It's something with upside, even pretend upside, to talk about during another poor season.
He'd be a great hire but I think he'll be a little to expensive for JP's tastes. I feel like had the tourney not been cancelled last year, he'd already be at a p6 school. I'd take him in a heartbeat!
I had the choice between watching the clones or the hurricanes the other day. I chose the hurricanes. If I am choosing NHL over Hilton Magic, we've got an issue. Also, I must have a thing for natural disaster mascots...
I think we'll be at a point sooner or later where it will cost more to keep Prohm than to replace him.
First - there are at least a few very big supporters that are beyond ready to move on and I know reluctant to invest anything more while the current staff is here. There are some renovations and projects that are going to struggle to get funded without them.
Secondly - season tickets are going to be dismal when combining more fan money going to football, impacts of COVID on families, and a lack of any sort of excitement. That will add up quickly and carry over to concessions, merchandise, etc.
Thirdly - ISU needs more than one sport to be relevant to continue some of the other larger capital projects. While Football is where the game-day and TV revenue is, they need basketball bringing in 10K+ fans 15 times per year to support a lot of other projects.
With that said, JP is notoriously cheap when it comes to basketball coaches. No amount of money was going to keep Hoiberg in town, but there were other candidates that showed interest and he just wouldn't put up the money, despite enough donation commitments.
It's going to take 3-3.5 mil for a really good coach but I think he'll try and find a possible diamond in the rough (aka roll the dice) on somebody under 1.75 to 2 mil. Right now we are 50th in the country for MBB coaching salary with basically everybody of consequence way above us.
First - there are at least a few very big supporters that are beyond ready to move on and I know reluctant to invest anything more while the current staff is here. There are some renovations and projects that are going to struggle to get funded without them.
Secondly - season tickets are going to be dismal when combining more fan money going to football, impacts of COVID on families, and a lack of any sort of excitement. That will add up quickly and carry over to concessions, merchandise, etc.
Thirdly - ISU needs more than one sport to be relevant to continue some of the other larger capital projects. While Football is where the game-day and TV revenue is, they need basketball bringing in 10K+ fans 15 times per year to support a lot of other projects.
With that said, JP is notoriously cheap when it comes to basketball coaches. No amount of money was going to keep Hoiberg in town, but there were other candidates that showed interest and he just wouldn't put up the money, despite enough donation commitments.
It's going to take 3-3.5 mil for a really good coach but I think he'll try and find a possible diamond in the rough (aka roll the dice) on somebody under 1.75 to 2 mil. Right now we are 50th in the country for MBB coaching salary with basically everybody of consequence way above us.
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Except for his son in track and cross country
I think we'll be at a point sooner or later where it will cost more to keep Prohm than to replace him.
First - there are at least a few very big supporters that are beyond ready to move on and I know reluctant to invest anything more while the current staff is here. There are some renovations and projects that are going to struggle to get funded without them.
Secondly - season tickets are going to be dismal when combining more fan money going to football, impacts of COVID on families, and a lack of any sort of excitement. That will add up quickly and carry over to concessions, merchandise, etc.
Thirdly - ISU needs more than one sport to be relevant to continue some of the other larger capital projects. While Football is where the game-day and TV revenue is, they need basketball bringing in 10K+ fans 15 times per year to support a lot of other projects.
With that said, JP is notoriously cheap when it comes to basketball coaches. No amount of money was going to keep Hoiberg in town, but there were other candidates that showed interest and he just wouldn't put up the money, despite enough donation commitments.
It's going to take 3-3.5 mil for a really good coach but I think he'll try and find a possible diamond in the rough (aka roll the dice) on somebody under 1.75 to 2 mil. Right now we are 50th in the country for MBB coaching salary with basically everybody of consequence way above us.
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See your point, but it didn't deter or diminish Chris Beard from doing what he did and is continuing to do. And now he's the one going to Final 4's and such. Tech hit the lottery with him, and for every Beard you get multiple Prohms/McDermott's.
While we're on the subject of Tech, I am reminded that they have brought in several coaches in the twilight of their careers, and just in the past 20 years. Knight and Tubby, with mixed results.
Maybe living in Iowa would not be so attractive for these guys. Always the bridesmaid and never the bride.
Which is bass ackwards. Paying top dollar for Olympic sports that generate no revenue and then going budget friendly for the sports that do.
I think we'll be at a point sooner or later where it will cost more to keep Prohm than to replace him.
First - there are at least a few very big supporters that are beyond ready to move on and I know reluctant to invest anything more while the current staff is here. There are some renovations and projects that are going to struggle to get funded without them.
And there are those who are not. They can wait to see what happens the rest of this year and next. This year with all the restrictions was a money losing proposition anyway. Almost a mulligan for the lack of a better term.
Secondly - season tickets are going to be dismal when combining more fan money going to football, impacts of COVID on families, and a lack of any sort of excitement. That will add up quickly and carry over to concessions, merchandise, etc.
This was a given regardless because no one knows when or if they will even be sold next season.
Thirdly - ISU needs more than one sport to be relevant to continue some of the other larger capital projects. While Football is where the game-day and TV revenue is, they need basketball bringing in 10K+ fans 15 times per year to support a lot of other projects.
Well, like stated above.......fans in the stands this year isn't Steve's fault. They could be undefeated and guess what. So if these "very big supporters" are basing things off of this......then either it isn't true or they are the people I spoke of that were ready to move on June 9th, 2015.
With that said, JP is notoriously cheap when it comes to basketball coaches. No amount of money was going to keep Hoiberg in town, but there were other candidates that showed interest and he just wouldn't put up the money, despite enough donation commitments.
And there it is. These "very big supporters" were ready to pony up and JP didn't hence they have never been happy with the hire. Prohm never had a chance. He hasn't done himself any favors by stinking up the last year and a half.......but hey......it hasn't been four straight like that lovable loser, right? And who knows how long he was going to be here stinking up Hilton if Altman doesn't leave for Oregon.
It's going to take 3-3.5 mil for a really good coach but I think he'll try and find a possible diamond in the rough (aka roll the dice) on somebody under 1.75 to 2 mil. Right now we are 50th in the country for MBB coaching salary with basically everybody of consequence way above us.
I agree on this. If Steve leaves the starting point must be where Steve is now. That also means we need an established name that everyone(national not ISU) knows. Believe or not I agree with Jeres on this about Sampson or Beilein being a jump start like Johnny was. To get a mid major up and comer..........why? Because he's a nice family orientated guy.......? F that! Steve's a nice guy to a fault, represents the university well, connects with his players. No...we get rid of him...we need a NAME! Someone the players know so hopefully to keep most of the current roster intact and go from there.
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I'm surprised at the opposition to Sampson. Haven't looked his salary at Houston and maybe he believes he takes them to phi slamma jamma national status, but to rule him out due to previous recruiting violations is ludicrous. Kentucky hired Calipari. Great coaches get rehired and Sampson will lead Houston to elite status or get hired to replace Calipari (or another P-5 program). I'd take him in a heartbeat. He probably wouldn't be interested in ISU.
I haven't gone through all the pages so ignore if already posted.
thetailgatesociety.com
Actually a pretty decent read.
No longer a Steve Prohm Guy – The Tailgate Society
For years, I have been a Steve Prohm guy. I love Coach Prohm as a person and have met him at many Cy’s House of Trivias. But since I don’t need to ever worry ab
thetailgatesociety.com
Actually a pretty decent read.
If the salary is right I’d absolutely take him. Hoiberg had recruiting violations at one point too. Unless we have some sure fire up and comer(which are sometimes still busts), get the best coach we can. Obviously I’d love Beilien, but he’s probably a pipe dream.
But yeah, knowing JP it’ll be the cheap route, but hell if it’s someone like Fred using the job as a stepping stone I’m ok with that if he’s not willing to pay for a good coach. They have to do a decent job to step up(typically) so let’s get some wins again.
The "cheap" comment by you here is unfair. The "diamond in the rough" model you describe produced Campbell and he has been and will be paid accordingly to keep him at ISU. As with Fred, if Campbell leaves ISU, it won't be primarily due to money.With that said, JP is notoriously cheap when it comes to basketball coaches. No amount of money was going to keep Hoiberg in town, but there were other candidates that showed interest and he just wouldn't put up the money, despite enough donation commitments.
It's going to take 3-3.5 mil for a really good coach but I think he'll try and find a possible diamond in the rough (aka roll the dice) on somebody under 1.75 to 2 mil. Right now we are 50th in the country for MBB coaching salary with basically everybody of consequence way above us.
Men's Basketball Head Coach Salaries - USA TODAY
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The timing of Fred's departure significantly restricted the pool of interested and qualified candidates at that time. Gregg Marshall is the only high dollar guy I am aware of who expressed some interest but I doubt he was truly serious (ISU certainly wasn't the only program he used to poach more money from Wichita and the Kochs). And he obviously was far too toxic even back then.
JP doesn't need to hire a +$3M/yr +60 guy like Beilien, Sampson or Altman. Beilien is done with recruiting, Sampson essentially has a family business set up at UH (with Fertitta resources) and isn't going anywhere and Altman has too good of a gig at Oregon and a big buyout.
There are real good "diamond in the rough" candidates that would leave their current gigs for ISU for $2M/yr. Otz is amongst those even with his big UNLV buyout that will need to taken care of by you know who and others. Craig Smith, Luke Yaklich and Darian DeVries also need to be on the short list and one can argue they all have as much upside for ISU as Otz does.
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Hoiberg was blessed by guys who had internal drive that were going to accomplish it no matter what. He left that for Phrom - Niang, Morris, Long, Thomas had the leadership to coach themselves and busted their butts to get to where they are. Phrom can’t lead and has had no players willing/able to put in the grind needed.
Plain and simple, both parties need to part ways! Phrom is a great guy, good recruiter, bad coach and motivator! It’s time to move on!!!
Plain and simple, both parties need to part ways! Phrom is a great guy, good recruiter, bad coach and motivator! It’s time to move on!!!
Besides the legal implications, I disagree with the comment about hiring coaches in their 60's for another reason. I am still of the (possibly delusional) hope that ten years from now one or more of Georges, Monte, Naz or Matt Thomas becomes an ISU assistant for after they retire and then takes over the position after a few year, which would work perfectly with an older coach. Probably won't happen (and it might not work out, but they all have such high basketball IQ that I think it would), but . . . .
Also, I'd include Tyrese on that list, but I think he'll still be playing.
Also, I'd include Tyrese on that list, but I think he'll still be playing.
