What to do with Coach Prohm Poll..

[NoCreativity]

Do you have reading comprehension issues?

He KNEW they were violations at the time and did so anyway. Committing known violations jeopardizes the programs, school, and the kids involved with it. It compromises the hard work of many for the personal gain and glory for the few. But let's just say the first round of phone calls were no big deal for argument's sake.

Okay, now that we have that understanding Sampson went to a new school, KNOWING he was under watchful eye and going to be scrutinized. Any cogent individual would recognize this and be on the straight and narrow. But now Sampson. He goes to Indiana and gets caught doing THE SAME thing he did at OU in his FIRST YEAR. I mean, how ******* stupid can he be? And how stupid could some here be for even wanting the guy.

Whatever. Let's bring him here then ***** about it in 3 years when he get caught doing something else that's braindead and completely stupid.

It's been 13 years now since he was at Indiana. He's also been at Houston now for 7 years and no violations that we know of. I think he at least deserves a call, his program is a Top 10 program the last 3 years. Sampsons Defensive Efficiency ratings have bee in the Top 15 in college basketball 4 straight years also, something that has been severely lacking at Iowa State.

My first two calls would go to Beilein and Sampson to try to make a splash hire. Either one of those two would have ISU right back in the tourney within 2 years. If all the players stayed you could also run into a George Raveling scenario where the talent is already there but you add a top coach and they are exponentially better next year.

After that I would go Craig Smith and Devries, Smith would be a great hire but would take him 2 or 3 years to get it turned around. Devries, TJ, etc could be really good or total bombs like Prohm also.

 

[ca4cy]

WSU is 8-3 overall and 4-1 in the conference, 2nd place behind #8 Houston. Why wouldn't they just hire the interim coach?
And why wouldn't JP go after Houston's coach, Sampson? Too high priced?

Sampson ain't happening here, for any number of reasons.

I'll throw on my Captain Obvious hat for a minute regarding the whole WSU thing. Their interim coach is black. He stepped into a volatile situation and is doing quite well (got thumped last night and I know nothing about their schedule.) He seems to have gotten some trust back with players and those around the program, and has gotten some nice pub in the national media.

Now, does that mean he should get a long term deal or at least warrant removing the interim tag and giving him a 2 or 3 year contract? Debate away. BUT, if he keeps his current trajectory and finishes with a. 667 winning percentage and the administration then moves on from him in favor of SP, with his record of only winning with other guy's players and 0 conference wins this year, I have to think there's going to be some outrage, and it may well be justified. It will certainly lend itself to the narrative that the good ol boy network is alive and well. Do they want to deal with that? I guess only they know but I sure can't see it.

Either way, I think it's too good a job for Prohm and probably not close enough to home for his wife if what's been said on here is true. He's made life-changing money for 6 years so pretty much any job can be good enough if he wants it to be, but I can't imagine him walking away from $5mil. I pray to God somebody swoops in and gives us another McDoormat clause but it seems less and less likely with every ass kicking we endure.

 

[Neptune78]

It's been 13 years now since he was at Indiana. He's also been at Houston now for 7 years and no violations that we know of. I think he at least deserves a call, his program is a Top 10 program the last 3 years. Sampsons Defensive Efficiency ratings have bee in the Top 15 in college basketball 4 straight years also, something that has been severely lacking at Iowa State.

My first two calls would go to Beilein and Sampson to try to make a splash hire. Either one of those two would have ISU right back in the tourney within 2 years. If all the players stayed you could also run into a George Raveling scenario where the talent is already there but you add a top coach and they are exponentially better next year.

After that I would go Craig Smith and Devries, Smith would be a great hire but would take him 2 or 3 years to get it turned around. Devries, TJ, etc could be really good or total bombs like Prohm also.

Beilien is 67, and Sampson is 65. No thanks. JP wouldn't spend the money it is going to take to sign them anyway.

Seems like Smith, Devries, and TJ are the most often mentioned here, who else would make the top five?

 

[Bader]

It's been 13 years now since he was at Indiana. He's also been at Houston now for 7 years and no violations that we know of. I think he at least deserves a call, his program is a Top 10 program the last 3 years. Sampsons Defensive Efficiency ratings have bee in the Top 15 in college basketball 4 straight years also, something that has been severely lacking at Iowa State.

My first two calls would go to Beilein and Sampson to try to make a splash hire. Either one of those two would have ISU right back in the tourney within 2 years. If all the players stayed you could also run into a George Raveling scenario where the talent is already there but you add a top coach and they are exponentially better next year.

After that I would go Craig Smith and Devries, Smith would be a great hire but would take him 2 or 3 years to get it turned around. Devries, TJ, etc could be really good or total bombs like Prohm also.

This thread is making me agree with Bill Snyder III, I refuse to look at it anymore

 

[CyCrazy]

Sampson is a good coach. I'd take him. But Pollard wouldn't, so IDK what the point of discussing it is.

Pollard would never hire Sampson, I wouldn't be opposed though.

 

[CycloneErik]

Beilien is 67, and Sampson is 65. No thanks. JP wouldn't spend the money it is going to take to sign them anyway.

Seem like Smith, Devries, and TJ are the most often mentioned here, who else would make the top five?

Coaches are only doing 5 years anyway. I wouldn't worry about 67 and 65.
The odds of hiring a lifer are slim to none.

 

[Bader]

Beilien is 67, and Sampson is 65. No thanks. JP wouldn't spend the money it is going to take to sign them anyway.

Seem like Smith, Devries, and TJ are the most often mentioned here, who else would make the top five?

Both of those guys can coach for 5-6 years, about the average tenure for a men's head coach here. If within that window you succeed and set it up to hand-off to a handpicked successor, sign me up. If they give 5-6 years of success and call it a career, sign me up.

Young guys are not any more likely to stick around. Someone being willing to be a 'lifer' shouldn't weigh into a decision like this at all

GDI @CycloneErik ninja'd

 

[Sigmapolis]

Beilien is 67, and Sampson is 65. No thanks. JP wouldn't spend the money it is going to take to sign them anyway.

Seem like Smith, Devries, and TJ are the most often mentioned here, who else would make the top five?

Hendo
Dutcher

 

[NoCreativity]

Beilien is 67, and Sampson is 65. No thanks. JP wouldn't spend the money it is going to take to sign them anyway.

Seem like Smith, Devries, and TJ are the most often mentioned here, who else would make the top five?

Beilien will coach again at a major school very soon, prob build them into a Final Four contender and retire in 6-8 years, why not here?

 

[aeroclone]

Count me out on Devries. It just reminds me too much of the GMAC hire. Guy is doing well at the local mid major which hadn't had a lot of recent success. Also has a kid coming up who could be a solid recruit. I know it isn't fair to the guy, but based on our history I just assume he won't be able to handle the egos at this level and it will crumble from there.

 

[scyclonekid]

Pretty simple hire a winner at this level which puts butts in the seats or go to the bargain bin with a coach and hope n pray he succeeds and if not puts your historic program that much further behind.

 

[NoCreativity]

Count me out on Devries. It just reminds me too much of the GMAC hire. Guy is doing well at the local mid major which hadn't had a lot of recent success. Also has a kid coming up who could be a solid recruit. I know it isn't fair to the guy, but based on our history I just assume he won't be able to handle the egos at this level and it will crumble from there.

His recruiting concerns me. Does he even have any ties besides the Iowa-Omaha area? I think he's a good coach, but would be worried about his ability to get players.

 

[Neptune78]

Beilien will coach again at a major school very soon, prob build them into a Final Four contender and retire in 6-8 years, why not here?

$$$$$

 

[NoCreativity]

Pretty simple hire a winner at this level which puts butts in the seats or go to the bargain bin with a coach and hope n pray he succeeds and if not puts your historic program that much further behind.

Yeah, if you go the discount mid major route you still have the 8th-10th best coach in the Big 12. That could get it done if they get lucky with a Chris Beard type, or it could be more of the same as Prohm.

Its a little different playing Evansville, then all of a sudden you are expected to compete against guys in the Big 12 who have been going to Final 4s since the 90s.

 

[Clyde4cy]

The last time we hired Michigan’s all time winningest coach it worked out pretty well.

 

[NoCreativity]

$$$$$

I'll be the first to admit I dont know much about budgets when it comes to major universities, but is there really that much difference between 2 million and 4 million for a proven coach?

They were prepared to pay Prohm 5 million to pack up and leave but we can't pay 4 million for a Power 5 coach?

 

[NoCreativity]

Imo there is no reason we can't get a coach like Beilien unless the money issue is really that serious.

The Big 12 is loaded with coaches who came back after having major success at the highest level of college basketball.
Huggins, Kruger, Dixon, Weber all came back to programs that don't have near the success and fan base as Iowa State. I think Iowa States program would be alot more attractive to coaches than Oklahoma, TCU, etc.

 

[Neptune78]

I'll be the first to admit I dont know much about budgets when it comes to major universities, but is there really that much difference between 2 million and 4 million for a proven coach?

They were prepared to pay Prohm 5 million to pack up and leave but we can't pay 4 million for a Power 5 coach?

My guess is JP would say yes, there's a big difference between $2 and $4 million.
Beilien walked away from Michigan at $3.8 million. I just don't see JP signing a $20 million/5 year deal to land him. Especially after this Covid year, I just don't see Pollard shelling out that kind of cash.

 

[Jer]

Can we please get back to the most important thing that everybody is glossing over? What kind of porn was the hypothetical coach watching? That really matters in how we should hypothetically treat them.

 

[cycloneworld]

My guess is JP would say yes, there's a big difference between $2 and $4 million.
Beilien walked away from Michigan at $3.8 million. I just don't see JP signing a $20 million/5 year deal to land him. Especially after this Covid year, I just don't see Pollard shelling out that kind of cash.

Pollard has NEVER paid big bucks for an established coach. Every one of them was an up and comer. And there is a near-zero chance he hires a basketball coach and pays them more than Matt Campbell (which is what it would likely take to land Belein or Sampson).