Klatt sucks and is one of the worst analysts out there.
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Klatt sucks and is one of the worst analysts out there.
Did anybody see this piece from David Hale on ESPN this morning. At first I thought he was kidding then I almost spit out my coffee....
"Will this latest impressive victory help Coastal move up in the rankings from No. 13? Sadly, the committee missed it while watching the dramatic happenings in Oklahoma State-Baylor."
He thinks a come from behind win over a 5-5 Troy team is impressive? After an average Sun Belt team gave Coastal everything they could handle, he thinks Coastal should move up? Where does ESPN find these guys?
"Will this latest impressive victory help Coastal move up in the rankings from No. 13? Sadly, the committee missed it while watching the dramatic happenings in Oklahoma State-Baylor."
He thinks a come from behind win over a 5-5 Troy team is impressive? After an average Sun Belt team gave Coastal everything they could handle, he thinks Coastal should move up? Where does ESPN find these guys?
I would think the committee would take the highest rated G5 if there are multiple undefeated. So they would have to take care of business against LA and hope for Cincinnati to lose. Of course, the committee would still have the option to select Coastal as an at large, which they would have a chance at this year if they finish as undefeated conference champs with 3 top 25 wins.
Bottom line, an 8 team playoff gets them into a legitimate playoff conversation where the current system does not. It would force the talking heads to acknowledge that more than 6 teams are playing this season, and it would make P5 conference championships mean so much more.
What's to argue? Simulated BCS standings would have Cincinnati in right now, even as screwed up as 2020 has been. G5s want one thing, a real shot. They in return need to do one thing--schedule for it. They do not get a fair shot under CFP. Using a computer formula for an 8 team playoff can achieve this as long as G5 teams know they must always meet a minimum standard first, they can punch their own ticket. They would embrace that.
We should also review the policy of scheduling teams ten years out. That should really be no more than four, and more flexibility should be allowed.
It works out nicely for Cincy this year, but a lot of years we could have 4 SEC teams in that playoff. A&M, Fla, GA would be knocking on the door. Your model isn't bad. I'm not saying a playoff (of any kind) is some monumental disaster, I just don't think any playoff model solves every issue like many think it will. I think the old model is just fine.
Now heres the catch. Is the old model a good way of determining a national champion? Nope. That's not the stance I'm taking though.
I'm saying creating a larger playoff system weakens the sport as a whole. (In the same way people would view a 32-team or 64-team playoff, I just feel that way about 8 or 16 too)
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My favorite line:
“Texas A&M, Iowa State and Cincinnati also have less company in the pack of pursuers trying to make the field of four. (Iowa State does not belong anywhere near the playoff race, but the committee doesn’t see it that way.)”
IOWA STATE VS THE WORLD
I can't wait until we drill A&M in the Cotton Bowl. So many heads are going to explode, and there will be lots of backflips to explain it away amongst a chorus of "A&M just didn't try because it wasn't a playoff game."SI Top 10: Florida's Loss Clears the Way for Playoff Favorites
Who benefited the most from Florida’s folly?
My favorite line:
“Texas A&M, Iowa State and Cincinnati also have less company in the pack of pursuers trying to make the field of four. (Iowa State does not belong anywhere near the playoff race, but the committee doesn’t see it that way.)”
IOWA STATE VS THE WORLD
SI Top 10: Florida's Loss Clears the Way for Playoff Favorites
Who benefited the most from Florida’s folly?
My favorite line:
“Texas A&M, Iowa State and Cincinnati also have less company in the pack of pursuers trying to make the field of four. (Iowa State does not belong anywhere near the playoff race, but the committee doesn’t see it that way.)”
IOWA STATE VS THE WORLD
You ain’t a player unless you have haters.
They could set it up similar to the basketball tourney where they tweak the seeds to avoid rematches in the earlier rounds.
For the G5 they could guarantee one spot for the highest ranked if they meet certain quantifiable criteria - NONE of which should be based on 'eye test' bull ****.
Also they could limit spots to a maximum of 2 each from any of the P5 conferences so there would never be 3 SEC teams or 3 B1G teams - that would also help eliminate play off rematches.
The one bright spot of an ISU loss in the Big Xii Championship Game would be a likely meeting with his Buffaloes in the Alamo Bowl! Not what I think will happen or want to happen, but if ISU does fall to the Alamo, I hope it is against CU!
SI Top 10: Florida's Loss Clears the Way for Playoff Favorites
Who benefited the most from Florida’s folly?
My favorite line:
“Texas A&M, Iowa State and Cincinnati also have less company in the pack of pursuers trying to make the field of four. (Iowa State does not belong anywhere near the playoff race, but the committee doesn’t see it that way.)”
IOWA STATE VS THE WORLD
Yeah, it does seem that way. They have played one decent team in Indiana. PSU, MSU, Neb, Rutgers are not good teams, I don't care how you want to slice and dice it. IN has wins over PSU, MSU, MI, Rutgers, MD, and Wisc. None of those teams are going to be anywhere near the top 25 this week. So in total, Both these teams together have one victory over a top 25 team.
That's not a bright spot; that's a worst-case scenario - which might be the bright spot. I don't know - think I've just confused myself.
JFC! Indiana has played only ONE team with a winning record. And lost to them. How the hell are they rated that high?
Umm...the “bright spot” would be a chance to show the country what the nation’s best running back really looks like?
I would argue that conference championships would actually mean MORE if the playoff expanded to 8 with P5 champions + 3 at large. We wouldn't have to be coming up with all of these hypotheticals right now if this were the case...just beat OU on Saturday and we're in. That clearly demonstrates that the conference championship would mean MORE in this scenario. You're right that the current system devalues conference championships, but moving to 8 would restore their value.
As for teams playing 3 times - I completely agree. It should not be allowed. If a team loses to a team twice, this means that they lose in the regular season and again in the conference championship game....so the team that won twice is automatically in the playoff. Even if this happens to a team that is clearly one of the top 8 teams in the country (like Clemson this year if they lose to ND again), they should not be allowed to be in the playoff. Just make it a rule. No teams that lose 2 tames to the same team can be in. Using this year as an example again, if Clemson beats ND in the conference championship, then they are 1-1 on the year and if they meet again in the playoff it would settle it properly - best 2 out of 3. Nobody can argue that.
Two additional rules...first no more than 2 teams per conference. This would limit teams playing each other again and would prevent 3 or 4 SEC teams from getting in. Nobody wants to see that. Second, at least one non-P5 team has to be in every year. This would keep these teams from whining and would allow at least one potential cinderella every year. It might also motivate them to schedule better non-con opponents to differentiate themselves from the competition. And if there aren't any worthy non-P5 teams in a year then it is just an advantage for the #1 seed who would (and should) get a weaker opponent.
In these scenarios, the only debates would be for the 2nd place teams and for the non-p5 team spot. All of these teams would have had an opportunity to do better. Like us this year - if we want to make they playoff we need to be Louisiana. Its fun to argue we should be in over other teams and that it might still be possible, but we all know that if we take care of business in the first game of the season we would be right there in the conversation.
I can get on board with a system like that. Question is, would the SEC? A conference that believes it has 2, 3 even 4 teams better than any other team in the country. The SEC thrives in a system like we have. A system that allows bias. And like it or not, they are the bell cow for college football and throw their weight around when making rules.
And to their credit, if each conference is guaranteed one member and the rest are at-large, an equitable system would require each of the conferences to be equal, right? You can't have one with 14 teams and 4 of them are deserving to be in the playoff. Then you have a PAC 12 conference that really deserves nobody. With this model, I'd want Iowa State in the Big 10 West immediately.
I'm just playing devils advocate
