Urban Meyer shows his stripes ... again

[flycy]

If there's one thing I've learned in life it is: Money is NOT everything. In fact in the scope of life, happiness, and legacy, it's downright trivial. Jackie Gleason (yep, I know, it dates me) was asked very late in his life when he was happiest. Widely regarded as having everything, he said "When I had nothing." That is SO TRUE. So, to you younger people starting out: savor every moment in life. Especially the 'now'. And to MC, "If temptation is knocking at your door, be sure your vision is for not only you, but for your family, and the hundreds of thousands of loyal fans forever true."

When you're already making the kind of money Campbell is, the kind of increase he would get at a blue blood would not be life changing at all. The only draw would be easier recruiting at certain places, but that also comes with a more unreasonable fan base.. I think Campbell is happy and believes there is no limit to what he can do here. I believe Earl Bruce said at some point he should have never left Iowa State. If Campbell ever moves on I believe it will be if the few unreasonable fans constantly calling for Manning's head, making fun of the "winning in the margins" become more vocal and numerous. Then we will be full on the Nebraska fan base.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Well Urban just picked ISU to win the Big 12 so do we end the boycott now?

After he yucked it up last week with Quinn that we were in the lead, picked us to lose to TX and said it would be an OU and UT ’ship game. Then, promoted some one hiring CMC away in post game...#”(% urban.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Let’s not forget people like Urban Meyer and most other people that cover college football want the blue bloods to control everything. They don’t want the underdogs to have sustained success.

Look at the narrative around the Big 12. OU looses two early and “the Big 12 sucks”. I bet OU would beat every team in the Big 12 except for maybe Ohio State. And I think they would give OSU a game and could beat them.

THIS! Same toward B12 success too. They want to protect the status quo and blue bloods. Media and b10 were all in on pull the B12 apart when it began to emerge as the best FB, MBB, WBB, Baseball conference. sadly, members of the B12 were a party to it.

 

[dirtyninety]

Just read article on the Vanderbilt kicker.....the article states: "....(Nashville-based) college football analyst Kirk Herbstreit.....".....LOL. Is it all income tax driven? He learned to fake cry from Garth Brooks? I wonder where Urban is based? probably not Salt Lake City. Maybe Tampa for income tax reasons and easy access to methamphetamine and Florida glory-days free drinks?

 

[farm85]

 

[flycy]

Urban just wants to get rid of Campbell so he can coach at Texas. He'd be crazy to take a job where he would be guaranteed to be outcoached once a year.

 

[IASTATE4LIFE]

When you're already making the kind of money Campbell is, the kind of increase he would get at a blue blood would not be life changing at all. The only draw would be easier recruiting at certain places, but that also comes with a more unreasonable fan base.. I think Campbell is happy and believes there is no limit to what he can do here. I believe Earl Bruce said at some point he should have never left Iowa State. If Campbell ever moves on I believe it will be if the few unreasonable fans constantly calling for Manning's head, making fun of the "winning in the margins" become more vocal and numerous. Then we will be full on the Nebraska fan base.

I completely disagree. The difference between his salary of 3.5 million and a blue blood(5-9 million) is more money per year than most of us can understand. If Ferentz is making 4.9 mil, then I say we pay Campbell 5 million per now. That is how you keep him, pay him the market rate for who you want to be now. Don't try to wait until later, it will never work that way.

 

[Jeffreyisu]

I completely disagree. The difference between his salary of 3.5 million and a blue blood(5-9 million) is more money per year than most of us can understand. If Ferentz is making 4.9 mil, then I say we pay Campbell 5 million per now. That is how you keep him, pay him the market rate for who you want to be now. Don't try to wait until later, it will never work that way.

At this point in Campbell's career he hasn't had the same level of success nor the longevity as Ferentz, so to say we should match Ferentz's salary seems silly. He's where he should be for now.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Just read article on the Vanderbilt kicker.....the article states: "....(Nashville-based) college football analyst Kirk Herbstreit.....".....LOL. Is it all income tax driven? He learned to fake cry from Garth Brooks? I wonder where Urban is based? probably not Salt Lake City. Maybe Tampa for income tax reasons and easy access to methamphetamine and Florida glory-days free drinks?

I knew this was a dirty post without even seeing who posted it.

FWIW, he’s lived in Nashville for like a decade now. So 20% of his life. I believe he left Ohio because OSU fans kept harassing him and his family.

 

[Urbandale2013]

I completely disagree. The difference between his salary of 3.5 million and a blue blood(5-9 million) is more money per year than most of us can understand. If Ferentz is making 4.9 mil, then I say we pay Campbell 5 million per now. That is how you keep him, pay him the market rate for who you want to be now. Don't try to wait until later, it will never work that way.

I think people saying there isn’t much difference are the ones who actually understand how much money that is. 1.5-2 million is a ton of money. No one is saying it isn’t. What people are saying is once you make 3 million you have such a diminished return on that money that it doesn’t make a difference.

There is only so much money one can spend particularly in Iowa. They don’t have the time to spend it traveling so it is more than likely sitting in accounts building interest.

The question is would you rather take a relatively perpetual 3 million or a 5 year 6 million and getting fired. At that amount of money I’m looking for consistency and fit over how much money I make.

 

[BCClone]

I knew this was a dirty post without even seeing who posted it.

FWIW, he’s lived in Nashville for like a decade now. So 20% of his life. I believe he left Ohio because OSU fans kept harassing him and his family.

Sad that your alma mater chases you out.

 

[dafarmer]

I don't believe there is anything shady in Urban's past.

 

[VeloClone]

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The question is would you rather take a relatively perpetual 3 million or a 5 year 6 million and getting fired. At that amount of money I’m looking for consistency and fit over how much money I make.

I read this whole thread waiting for this point to be brought up. It doesn't matter how much per year you are making if you are at the behest of an administration and fanbase with unreasonable expectations in both production and timeline. People say that he can recruit his own new culture, but that takes time and at those bluebloods with a culture mess you are rarely given the time to clean house, break it down and build it back up. Things can get ugly during that process.

 

[Al_4_State]

Sad that your alma mater chases you out.

I kinda get the impression that's the way Fred felt about us.

 

[Cydkar]

Making huge sums of money isn't always about spending it. It's creating genmerational wealth. I have no idea how many generations that Matt is interested in taking care of. If any. A $2 mil bump adds a generation.

 

[BCClone]

I kinda get the impression that's the way Fred felt about us.

In what ways? I wasn’t around the BB team/games with young kids at that time.

I always felt that we were more a stepping stone with the way the contract read. He knew he would have to work his way up the ladder and the quickest was to land ISU. IMO, he only wanted to be here 3-4 years tops from the start.

 

[DSM4Cy]

In what ways? I wasn’t around the BB team/games with young kids at that time.

I always felt that we were more a stepping stone with the way the contract read. He knew he would have to work his way up the ladder and the quickest was to land ISU. IMO, he only wanted to be here 3-4 years tops from the start.

Fred and his family couldn't go anywhere or do anything without being recognized. Eventually, that loss of anonymity wears on you. Some coaches love it (see: Orr, Johnny; McCarney, Dan) and others don't. When you live in Minneapolis or Chicago you can disappear. Even in Lincoln, BB is second fiddle by a huge margin. Fred didn't want the spotlight on him and his wife and kids forever and has always been uncomfortable being a "celebrity."

 

[BCClone]

Fred and his family couldn't go anywhere or do anything without being recognized. Eventually, that loss of anonymity wears on you. Some coaches love it (see: Orr, Johnny; McCarney, Dan) and others don't. When you live in Minneapolis or Chicago you can disappear. Even in Lincoln, BB is second fiddle by a huge margin. Fred didn't want the spotlight on him and his wife and kids forever and has always been uncomfortable being a "celebrity."

Which if he took the ISU job not knowing that (he was already a celebrity and known from his college days) he wasn’t very observant.

The impression I got of Fred from the times I interacted with him in smaller groups (when he was still in the pros) was he had a group he likes to be around and is not an outgoing person. Not a trademark of a college coach.

 

[DSM4Cy]

Which if he took the ISU job not knowing that (he was already a celebrity and known from his college days) he wasn’t very observant.

The impression I got of Fred from the times I interacted with him in smaller groups (when he was still in the pros) was he had a group he likes to be around and is not an outgoing person. Not a trademark of a college coach.

I think he took the ISU job fully knowing it, but also because he loves Iowa State and believed he could be the one to restore the program (definitely ego involved). And he was not only successful, but led us to the best 4-year stretch in program history and left pieces for CSP to continue on with things. However, I think that he was always unlikely to stay for the long-term - I don't really buy into the "stepping stone" thing as much as Fred fitting in more with the NBA-type environment where you're dealing with professionals and where coaches don't have to do all the recruiting stuff.

 

[BCClone]

I think he took the ISU job fully knowing it, but also because he loves Iowa State and believed he could be the one to restore the program (definitely ego involved). And he was not only successful, but led us to the best 4-year stretch in program history and left pieces for CSP to continue on with things. However, I think that he was always unlikely to stay for the long-term - I don't really buy into the "stepping stone" thing as much as Fred fitting in more with the NBA-type environment where you're dealing with professionals and where coaches don't have to do all the recruiting stuff.

But he wasn’t getting to the NBA without major college experience. You have to admit, outside of ISU he wasn’t a known commodity like Jason kidd, Doc rivers, Maurice Cheeks and such to just go right to the coaching sidelines. He needed a base which made the need for a stepping stone. He knew people like Kraficison (butchered the spelling but the guy from NC that transferred to Iowa as a player and was an assistant for us for a bit) who had to bust their butt to get through the ranks and he didn’t appear to want to go that route. Everyone has a stepping stone unless you start as an NBA coach right away.