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isutrevman said:
Pretty much never watch Tucker Carlson so I don't know what his opinion is. I've listened to Fauci, Birx, Refield, amd many other experts as well. I'd suggest you branch out from your information bubble as well, then decide for yourself what makes sense.

Fauci, Birx and Redfield all work for the federal government. Most people don't blindly trust the federal government about anything, so why them? Would you blindly trust a national security advisor who says we need to invade Russia, or would you question it? He is, after all, an expert. I would sure as hell question that decision. That doesn't mean Fauci, Birx and Redfield are automatically wrong. But, I think it's fair to take a look at what they say, and try to find out for yourself whether or not it makes sense. Especially when other, equally credentialed experts disagree with them. Maybe after all that you still think Fauci, Birx and Redfield are 100% correct about everything. That's fine. At least you put some effort into determining that instead of having blind faith in a government official because they've been labeled an "expert".
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The funny thing is, back to when I was 9 or 10, news channels were my favorite shows - and not a single network or perspective - I like to hear the variety of views. I have always tried to be independent and critical thinking, trying to understand both sides of things and formulating my own opinion. That’s how I think people are best informed.

It is with that which I trust people like Fauci 100x more than any news channel analyst or paid expert or any politician. I take absolutely nothing at face value though, always balancing it against other sources and experts. It just so happens that the vast majority of them say very similar things that aren’t extreme on either side so I will often cite Fauci as he is most commonly known at this point.

As with anything - amazingly even if the world is round - there will be experts with different opinions. That’s why science, balance and critical thinking are all required to get past the junk.
 
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isutrevman said:
Most of Asia, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland.

As I said, it's reasonable for people over 65 or with severe health issues to be afraid of the virus. I am careful and don't mind wearing a mask to be considerate of others. I'm also considerate of the millions of people forced into unemployment by government mandated business closures. I'm also considerate of those who have lost their restaurants, bars and small businesses that they put their life savings into and have now lost due to those same mandated closures. I'm also considerate of children who are missing out face-to-face education and valuable social development due to school closures. I'm also considerate of parents who are struggling to figure out how to work full time jobs, while also having to "teach" their kids at home or are having to find somewhere to send their kids during the day.

I agree it's reasonable to be considerate of others. But that goes for people who ARE afraid, as much as for people who aren't.
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What countries in Asia?

So what's your plan for when the kids spread it to teachers and you have shortages throughout a building or district? Double up classes? You think there's subs available at the ready everywhere when they weren't pre-covid? 50 kids in a classroom to one teacher gonna be more magically effective since it's in person?
 
madguy30 said:
What countries in Asia?

So what's your plan for when the kids spread it to teachers and you have shortages throughout a building or district? Double up classes? You think there's subs available at the ready everywhere when they weren't pre-covid? 50 kids in a classroom to one teacher gonna be more magically effective since it's in person?
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Substitute teachers are the limiting factor here around Omaha. Most districts have to dip well into the district staff every day just to keep classes going as there are not nearly enough subs.
 
knowlesjam said:
Substitute teachers are the limiting factor here around Omaha. Most districts have to dip well into the district staff every day just to keep classes going as there are not nearly enough subs.
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Yep and that was an issue a year ago. Most subs I know are retired teachers that are in the high risk group.

It's not as simple as just plugging someone in for a while.

There's also kids that are high risk that need a plan for what they can do.

That never seems to come up.
 
isutrevman said:
Wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong. I agree with the last part, but probably not in the same sense that you're thinking.
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But science. I mean science that was parroted by people on the boob tube. Not like real science.

Ok, all caught up and moving on. I think I should do a 30 for 30 in October.
 
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ArgentCy said:
You don't need a link for that, come on now. They charge a fee at a minimum like a hotel. You stay more nights, they charge more. If you really need a link try Hotwire.
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Actually, I would, because facts. Perhaps you didn't see this before - any sourced documentation that you have that can trump CMS fee schedule, RVUs, and basic facts would be appreciated:

Angie said:
Hunh. Would you happen to have a source you can link for that?

Because the CMS fee schedule, which is used as the basis for almost all other insurance companies because Medicare drives the industry, reimburses at a rate that is about twice as much for an initial hospital day E/M vs a subsequent hospital day. The difference in work relative value units alone (that's work RVUs, if you are more comfortable with that term) makes up the difference.

And that's just for the evaluation and management. When you factor in that most diagnostic tests, lab work, imaging, and so on are done in the first 24 hours in order to diagnose, that just dwarves subsequent days of care. It is far more profitable to turn over patients rapidly and get in more initial days than it is to retain previous patients. Also, if a patient is in for surgery or procedure, those highest-dollar fees are largely on day one of treatment, and then post-op fees (which are just maintenance) comprise the rest of the stay.

And that isn't even mentioning the fact that insurance is far less likely to deny a one-day stay for medical necessity than they are a multiple-day stay. You throw in the man hours that it takes to fight a denial for care that is tens of thousands of dollars, and it's just staggering how large the difference is.

But maybe you have some information I don't.
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More vaccine news - NY Times Vaccine Tracker (may need free account to view)

Another site tracking vaccines. 28 in Phase 1,14 in Phase 2, and 11 currently in Phase 3 Efficacy where it must protect at least 50% of the population. I didn't know that 5 have been approved for early or limited use. No vaccines have been approved.

www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org

Coronavirus Vaccine Tracker

A look at all the vaccines that have reached trials in humans.
www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org
 
kcbob79clone said:
More vaccine news - NY Times Vaccine Tracker (may need free account to view)

Another site tracking vaccines. 28 in Phase 1,14 in Phase 2, and 11 currently in Phase 3 Efficacy where it must protect at least 50% of the population. I didn't know that 5 have been approved for early or limited use. No vaccines have been approved.

www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org

Coronavirus Vaccine Tracker

A look at all the vaccines that have reached trials in humans.
www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org
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Maderna's CEO said yesterday they are looking for approval in the Spring which lines up with a lot of the other front-runners. There could be an emergency use approved for the most critical come December (they said Nov 23rd they may file if results look good), but general approval in April-ish. Then distribution, etc so still likely mid-summer for general population of not severely compromised or elderly.
 
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Pushing 3,000 reported cases today in WI, two days in a row of 20+ deaths which hasn't happened since May.

Apparently it's not just a college kids thing.
 
Study showing the coronavirus outbreak is slowing down in England suggests new restrictions are working. From the article, “So that does suggest that perhaps some of the recent announcements and the biggest focus again on people paying attention to the public health message, which is social distancing, handwashing, face covers and getting tested if they have symptoms and then isolation, seems to be beginning to work.”

inews.co.uk

Study showing coronavirus outbreak is slowing in England suggests new restrictions are working

The research by Imperial College London is a rare glimmer of hope in the fight against Covid-19 - but experts have warned against complacency
inews.co.uk inews.co.uk
 
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