Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[Urbandale2013]

https://www.weareiowa.com/mobile/ar...ases/524-d57dd363-010e-4a51-b681-17fd74dc538a

More data on the possible asymptomatic spread and how many people may already have it.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

You say this like everything is going to open all up at once. Hopefully that’s not what you mean. We are still far away from bars and restaurants being able to open up to the public.

I have already been reading about restaurants will be opening up and removing half the tables, and limiting how many people they are allowed to have in the building.
Beaches were opened back up in Florida over the weekend, small shops will be by the end of the month.

I think its all crazy and will make it worse, but they will be opening back up.

 

[mynameisjonas]

The mask isn't to stop you from getting it - it's to stop you from spreading it - even if you don't know you are carrying the virus.

It’s time for you to unbrainwash yourself from all the lies you were told by the media. Do the doctors and nurses wear masks so that they don’t spread their virus to the patients? No. While you’re correct that it does definitely stop you from spreading it, but it also protects you from getting it as well.

 

[mynameisjonas]

Exactly, the masks are for others, not for you. Which I suppose is why it doesn't surprise me that more people aren't wearing them, because in general people tend to suck.

False

 

[madguy30]

It’s time for you to unbrainwash yourself from all the lies you were told by the media. Do the doctors and nurses wear masks so that they don’t spread their virus to the patients? No. While you’re correct that it does definitely stop you from spreading it, but it also protects you from getting it as well.

Where's the science behind your conclusion?

Because you should really get that evidence out to the masses so they know what's going on.

 

[3TrueFans]

False

No, people definitely suck.

 

[bawbie]

To an extent. You still have to weigh the value of achieving herd immunity earlier, and not having to worry about this so much going forward. It would be strange if their mortality rate was any different than anyone else's, which tells you that A) they have a lot more cases and B) the mortality rate for this thing is likely going to be low once it is all sorted out.

The problem with using a term like "herd immunity" is that there are so many unknowns about this virus that we don't know what level of "herd immunity" is needed to achieve a positive result - or even if antibody immunity is present (see cases of re-infection in SK).

In regards to B) - low relative to what? The current mortality rate in NY is closing in on 0.1%. Not of infected people - but of the entire population!

 

[mynameisjonas]

No, people definitely suck.

That part was definitely true

 

[mynameisjonas]

Where's the science behind your conclusion?

Because you should really get that evidence out to the masses so they know what's going on.

The science in this case is common sense. I’m not going to go post a link or copy/paste the cdc recommendation that everyone wear a mask. You’ve seen that and apparently are still a flat earther. The only way to get the virus is for it to go into the 5 holes on your head: eyes, nose and mouth. Mask covers nose and mouth so just a basic rudimentary understanding of common sense would tell you it helps. Personally I wear a mask and a face shield to make sure all 5 holes are covered.

 

[mynameisjonas]

I wonder at what point the mask issue won’t be debatable any more and will just be common knowledge. In months and years when people come back and look at this thread there will be a lot of fools exposed. I feel pretty good that I won’t be one of them.

 

[madguy30]

The problem with using a term like "herd immunity" is that there are so many unknowns about this virus that we don't know what level of "herd immunity" is needed to achieve a positive result - or even if antibody immunity is present (see cases of re-infection in SK).

In regards to B) - low relative to what? The current mortality rate in NY is closing in on 0.1%. Not of infected people - but of the entire population!

It's been interesting...there seems to be a bit of dismissiveness to mass deaths in NYC.

 

[bawbie]

It’s time for you to unbrainwash yourself from all the lies you were told by the media. Do the doctors and nurses wear masks so that they don’t spread their virus to the patients? No. While you’re correct that it does definitely stop you from spreading it, but it also protects you from getting it as well.

Am I a doctor or nurse? Is my homemade mask medical grade? Of course not. That's not "media brainwashing" - that kind of statement isn't needed in this thread - please cut it out.

 

[mynameisjonas]

Am I a doctor or nurse? Is my homemade mask medical grade? Of course not. That's not "media brainwashing" - that kind of statement isn't needed in this thread - please cut it out.

I have no idea what you’re talking about but my point was simply that wearing a mask protects everyone it protects you and it protects others.

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

It’s time for you to unbrainwash yourself from all the lies you were told by the media. Do the doctors and nurses wear masks so that they don’t spread their virus to the patients? No. While you’re correct that it does definitely stop you from spreading it, but it also protects you from getting it as well.

It does offer slight protection for the wearer but according to virologist from the Mayo Clinic last week that we had a Q&A session with you are wrong. It offers very limited protection for the wearer and yes doctors do wear them to stop the spread of whatever germs they are carrying.

 

[Acylum]

Compare the deaths per million column (it's in order). Then compare the amount of restrictions placed on their respective populations. Sweden has allowed schools and restaurants to stay open, and gatherings of up to 50 people. The rest they have left to voluntary cooperation and good practices. Other countries have placed much more aggressive control over their citizens. The results are very similar statistically.

That's not the one I was referring to. It's the map of the U.S. with the title that makes no sense.

 

[madguy30]

The science in this case is common sense. I’m not going to go post a link or copy/paste the cdc recommendation that everyone wear a mask. You’ve seen that and apparently are still a flat earther. The only way to get the virus is for it to go into the 5 holes on your head: eyes, nose and mouth. Mask covers nose and mouth so just a basic rudimentary understanding of common sense would tell you it helps. Personally I wear a mask and a face shield to make sure all 5 holes are covered.

Look, I agree that everyone should wear masks. If two people are wearing masks, that should help lower the spread.

But anything I've seen is that the droplets are small enough to potentially still be breathed in through (or around) a mask, and wearing one helps to not let your own droplets spread out to a large area.

If evidence exists that we avoid spreading and contracting it via masks or face coverings, it needs to be put out there.

Example of evidence base, common sense measures--Heart disease and car collisions costs our country hundreds of billions of dollars each year, and there very easy ways to avoid those things, so common sense would be to take the proper precautions to avoid the financial burden and deaths from those things. Do we?

And don't call me a flat earther. Hurts my fee fees.

 

[Cyclonepride]

The problem with using a term like "herd immunity" is that there are so many unknowns about this virus that we don't know what level of "herd immunity" is needed to achieve a positive result - or even if antibody immunity is present (see cases of re-infection in SK).

In regards to B) - low relative to what? The current mortality rate in NY is closing in on 0.1%. Not of infected people - but of the entire population!

I've seen anywhere from 60% to 80% of the population quote for viruses. At any rate, assuming some resilience to future infections (that exhibit symptoms), the more people that have had it, the less it is able to travel.

New York is a total outlier from everywhere else in the country, but they have probably had a way higher percentage of infections too. I saw that one place in Massachusetts that was particularly hard hit had 30% of people with antibodies. It's seeming likelier and likelier that this will end up at .5% or less, and I've seen estimates of .12% to .2% mentioned already.

 

[Cyclonepride]

That's not the one I was referring to. It's the map of the U.S. with the title that makes no sense.

Oh, got ya. Yeah, terribly worded. I'm assuming that they mean that the states could open up after the indicated dates if they social distanced properly between now and then.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I work in manufacturing and per my company (essential) the current CDC guidance is that people who have come in contact with someone who has COVID-19 but are not showing symptoms themselves can continue to work. Since they could be asymptomatic though they have to take extra precautions (wearing a surgical mask, practice social distancing (which everyone should be doing...), and taking their temp every day.

Does this seem like a disaster waiting to happen? Has anybody else seen these recommendations (there was no link in the email to read more)?

 

[bawbie]

I've seen anywhere from 60% to 80% of the population quote for viruses. At any rate, assuming some resilience to future infections (that exhibit symptoms), the more people that have had it, the less it is able to travel.

New York is a total outlier from everywhere else in the country, but they have probably had a way higher percentage of infections too. I saw that one place in Massachusetts that was particularly hard hit had 30% of people with antibodies. It's seeming likelier and likelier that this will end up at .5% or less, and I've seen estimates of .12% to .2% mentioned already.

You are acting like killing 0.1% or 0.2% of 60%-80% is a small number. It's not. mortality rates of infection (not diagnosis) that high for a virus that reaches "herd" status is almost unheard of.