That's what gonna happen when you lose to MEAC teams and constantly get stomped at home and it's insane to expect anyone to want to keep spending money on a product as awful as it was last year
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This year may be comparable to CPR's 2013 season and he got two more seasons, and I'm not sure if he's even let go if not for the meltdown at KSU.
I never said or implied there was! You’re the one that brought up Kane. That said, Turner is very good, and a Turner + Creighton PG combo would give us a good chance. A lineup of Mintz, Turner, Bolton, Johnson, Young with Jackson, Conditt, Foster, Dubar/Blackwell is a better team than anything we had last year, despite not having a Lottery pick.
In your hypothetical, A player like Kane would make this a tournament team. You don’t need a lot more when you have an All American! He makes everyone else better. Kane, Bolton, Young, Conditt, Jackson, and Johnson may not win the conference, but it’s going to be around .500. Add some help from the freshmen and the other 3 spots, and .500 in conference play is attainable.
Where did I say anything about fan support being the issue? I responded to the claim "we have nothing to sell recruits" I think it was easier to sell a loyal fanbase awhile than now. Surprise surprise message board overreaction.
You stated “We used to have loyal favs that supported our players....”. I’m not sure how you can interpret that other than the fans are part of the problem.
We HAD an all american, that made everyone around him better and won 12 games. We got demolished with an all american on the floor. A player who undoubtedly made everyone around him better along with bringing the ability to score. Simply put TH is irreplaceable and we were bad WITH him...this team was not even close to being good. They got absolutely embarrassed throughout the whole season. This isn't a situation can be healed by one good player. We had a good (great) player and still stunk. Its a program wide talent gap.
Haliburton is a facilitator, but we had a lack of a key or lead scorer. One player could have made the difference. Specifically a Niang, Burton, Shayok type player.
Yeah.. and Prohm is bringing in a pretty darn good recruiting class to fix that. Lewis and Griffin are gone and are providing opportunities to bring in guys to help out. If you can't look at next year's roster and see the difference in the height, length, athleticism, and overall basketball ability then I don't know what to tell you. Next year's freshman should not have even close to the learning curve that last year's freshman had. The guys that are coming back from last years team should all have improved. Johnson is providing something that we desperately missed last year.
Halliburton on last year's team is different than Halliburton on what next year's team is going to be. There is going to be 2x more talent all around on next years team.
I'm not saying this team as is will be better. It depends if we land or have in a freshmen what we lack. Right now, a pg and a stretch forward or point forward. A big guard.
We played 30% of the season without Tyrese last year.. I think we got a good look at what last year's team looked like without him. We're literally losing 6 players from last year's team. We're going to look completely different.
Having Tyrese all year wouldn't have fixed what was lacking. Don't get me wrong, I'll miss him like any of the isu greats. But we lacked one quality scoring mismatch.
Offensively, yes. Defensively, we missed length and athleticism. We were outmatched constantly on that end. Our freshman and Johnson should help with that in some capacity. Getting a couple of transfers is the key though.
Haliburton was great. But he’s a Robin. We needed a Batman. This season could have been way different if Wigginton returned. Even Lard should have been back, but I understand why we had to move on from him.
It’s unfortunate that Prohm can’t reload every year, his biggest problem is the players he gets are too good. Last years class was a bust(that’s why two left before the season started because we had better options ready to commit), but this years looks to be very good again.
It’s unfortunate that Prohm can’t reload every year, his biggest problem is the players he gets are too good. Last years class was a bust(that’s why two left before the season started because we had better options ready to commit), but this years looks to be very good again.
Yeah I think everyone is. And I even am. But I think everyone needs to remember that we're still early in this process. Us not getting someone right now does not mean next year is a lost cause. If we're in mid-May and we don't have anyone of significance signed, then we should start to worry. But even today, there were guys that decided they were transferring. This will continue for the next few weeks too. I'm confident we'll end up in a better situation than we're currently in.
The list of recruits he's brought in that never made a significant impact here is longer than the guys who were "too good". Over half his HS recruits have been busts. This narrative is totally false.
Honestly, where does the bolded even come from? We literally have not seen any of the people you are talking about play one second of Big 12 basketball.
Our recruiting class is pretty good, but lets be a bit realistic. Only one of those guys is on the Rivals Top 150. And Javan Johnson may wind up good, but he averages 10 PPG at Troy. Let's just be a bit realistic.
It's just such typical fandom to say everyone who is gone was horrible and everyone who is coming in is awesome.
