That's certainly fair. I do also think that most of his teams were really well rounded and had complimentary pieces to each other, something that seems to be lacking with this year's squad.
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That's certainly fair. I do also think that most of his teams were really well rounded and had complimentary pieces to each other, something that seems to be lacking with this year's squad.
That’s the problem. Everyone should want the best team on the floor, not just Seniors. And if the Senior isn’t the best choice they should be off the floor.
Who would you play on this roster instead of Nixon? I don't see many upgrades on the current roster.
Conditt over Jacobson - I understand that logic (though I understand the hesitancy of dropping a senior who's been pretty decent.)
When's the last time Grill or Jackson scored? Feels like forever. I was really hoping Tre would start getting comfortable and hit some 3s.
I do not think Fred teams were well-rounded.
Actually, I think he took the opposite path.
He put together teams that did one or two things really well -- usually scoring/shooting.
And just ran with it.
If you are not good at everything, then you should be REALLY good at something. Right now, this team is not good at anything nor is there one gimmick that they have they can rely upon to win games in any circumstances like chuckin' threes.
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Mike Jacobson has probably been my biggest disappointment so far. He's scored in double digits 3 times this season: UMKC, MVSU, and Alabama. In the Alabama game he had 11 points on 4-12 shooting, and 3-10 from 2pt range.
He's missed so many low post shots this season and a ton of his missed threes have been out of rhythm attempts. I think a lot of this has to do with him playing the 4. Last season he seemed to have a good feel for his position at the 5 and I think he was much more comfortable playing there. I just don't think it's a good fit for him this year and we can't have a senior post player continue to not be an impact for this team.
Every time he shoots I get ready to yell “Trey from Tre!”
It gets more disappointing each time
What are you basing the idea that Diallo would've made a big difference for ISU off of? The guy went scoreless in 10 conference games. Scored 2 or 4 in all but one other. I mean, I fully understand that guys' results are going to vary from one team to the next, but he couldn't get minutes and was playing behind Landen Lucas, who was very pedestrian. This wasn't a KU team that was loaded at the five. Not at all. And Diallo had no impact.
Bottom line is the guy came into college a talented project and left as one. Unless going to ISU was going to keep him in school another couple years, Diallo was not going to have a big impact in college.
Everything I heard was an Iowa State lean. He really liked Fred and what Iowa State was offering. Another big reason he didn't come was because Matt A left for St. Johns, and Matt was the guy recruiting him. Hence, why some people started predicting him to go to St. Johns. He wasn't great in college because he was ineligible for most of the season because Kansas is shady.
Well jers, to start with, I'm not using it as an insult or "name calling" here. I think it's pretty self evident that you absolutely love Fred Hoiberg and loved his time here. I do notice that you didn't exactly go out of your way to deny the accuracy of the term.
And guess what? I loved Fred's time here as well, up until his very last game, that is. I loved how he saved the program from the bottoming out of the McDermott era; I loved having College Gameday in Ames and having the crowd be so loud that it messed up their microphones. I cried tears of joy when we beat UNC to make it to the Sweet 16 back in '14 (2013 was a pretty tough year for me personally, so that wonderful basketball season was like a free therapy session). I even defended Fred when he took the Nebraska job last spring (btw, the hysterical overreaction to that with people calling him a "traitor" is peak stupidity here on CycloneFanatic.com).
The difference between you and I here is that when I read all of your comments and posts on here is that, when I read between the lines, you were never, ever going to give Prohm a chance here (and to be fair, I get the impression that if we had somehow pried Coach K away from Duke and he named Phil Jackson his top assistant that you would have been unhappy with it). You yourself have written that Prohm did something very early on to turn you against him. You've written that. You have also written that you couldn't feel as good about Prohm's victories in the NCAA tournament because of the "quality" of victories (since it's his fault that a Chris Beard-coached #12 seed played well enough to upset a 5th seed). You have written these things, and you have never, ever given Prohm a chance to succeed on his own merits. Please do not deny this. Fred Hoiberg did some great things during his time here. So has Steve Prohm, although it's undeniable that this season has gotten off to a disastrous start.
And you know what? You just may be right about Prohm. I hope not, but after what happened Tuesday night I am officially off the bandwagon, and he and the team are going to have to show me some good things to get back on it. Again, the difference between you and I is that I (and others) were willing to give him a chance that you never were. You judge him based off of who he replaced in addition to the basketball stuff. I judge him on his own merits and weaknesses when it comes to what happens on the court.
CycloneErik
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All those words, and you managed to bring that up again, then move to wild exaggerations about the Coach K/Phil Jackson thing.
It's hard to tell how he would've been at another program, but I do think he would've been a better player at Iowa State than he was at Kansas. Also wouldn't have had to sit until December 1st to play his first game if he went anywhere but Kansas.
I think this is fair as well. I think when I wrote that he had some nice complimentary pieces that meshed really well with each other, I think about how potent we were offensively.
Jackson looks very uncomfortable on the offensive end. He seemed much more comfortable early in the season against much better competition. Not sure how many TOs he had vs. FAMU but almost every pass he made was stolen, deflected, or nearly stolen.
Hey Erik, if people keep on screaming about how last year's loss to Ohio State in the NCAA tournament was such an awful loss, how come I can't use the same words to describe a loss to a #14 seed?
And God forbid I engage in some hyperbole from time to time on here. I'm sure I'm the only person on here to do that.
Tre hit one three pointer, I believe late in the game, against PFW. He also missed three other 3's that game. His last three he made before that one came in the game against Seton Hall in the Bahamas. From that game in the Bahamas until now, he's shooting .143 from the 3pt line.
Caleb Grill has not scored a point since the Seton Hall game in which he was fouled on a 3pt attempt and made 2-3 FT's. Besides those FT's, Caleb Grill has not scored since the NIU game which was November 12. He went 3-4 from beyond the arc in his first two games played, and since then is 1-9 at a .111 clip.
Sure, but you said Diallo would've made a big difference at ISU his Freshman year. There's a ton of real estate between being better than he was at Kansas (complete non-factor that couldn't get any minutes over a mediocre player) and making a big difference on a good ISU team.
CycloneErik
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Do what you want, just don't pretend you're over it when you bring it up out of the blue.
Wow! I like how he scraps on D but it will be hard for him to get into any kind of offensive groove in Big 12 play.
I didn't say he would've made a big difference, but I do think he would've been another factor to push that team a little bit higher.
