This is why Prohm must go........

[UnCytely]

I am the one

Well this is just not true. Also, what could Prohm have done to make you happy? A regular season conference title? An elite 8, final 4, or national championship?

Last season? One fewer loss at home and/or beat Ohio State. Not stratospherically unreasonable, especially considering Ohio State was a lower seed.

This season? Beat Iowa at home or at least have it been a close game.

My problem with Prohm is that my expectations are not unreasonable and yet he can't live up to them.

 

[NoCreativity]

Have you guys seen the schedule? This thread will be completely out of control a month from now.

Barttorvick has us going 2-5 in January.

 

[psychlone99]

Have you guys seen the schedule? This thread will be completely out of control a month from now.

Barttorvick has us going 2-5 in January.

This is my fear. Unless this team improves by leaps and bounds, this place will be a trainwreck after January.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Have you guys seen the schedule? This thread will be completely out of control a month from now.

Barttorvick has us going 2-5 in January.

The Big 12 schedule is front-heavy -- Yes.

Even going something like 3-4 will have the natives restless here.

We will see.

I hope, even if that comes to pass, that the team can hold it together from a mental standpoint and make a charge in February.

The schedule is lighter later on.

 

[NoCreativity]

This is my fear. Unless this team improves by leaps and bounds, this place will be a trainwreck after January.

Even going into early February they have road trips to Morgantown and Austin. Its very conceivable they go 3-7 or even 2-8 during that stretch. We are only favored in 2 of those games.

 

[heitclone]

The Big 12 schedule is front-heavy -- Yes.

Even going something like 3-4 will have the natives restless here.

We will see.

I hope, even if that comes to pass, that the team can hold it together from a mental standpoint and make a charge in February.

The schedule is lighter later on.

That TCU game to open up league play would be a huge win, win that and somehow go atleast 3-1 at Hilton, start Feb 12-8. Isn't ideal but you're still alive with Baylor and a couple of other tough road games out of the way. Anything less than that would probably mean no tourney.

 

[Sigmapolis]

That TCU game to open up league play would be a huge win, win that and somehow go atleast 3-1 at Hilton, start Feb 12-8. Isn't ideal but you're still alive with Baylor and a couple of other tough road games out of the way. Anything less than that would probably mean no tourney.

I think you might have to pull a surprise road rabbit out of your hat, too.

 

[awd4cy]

Have you guys seen the schedule? This thread will be completely out of control a month from now.

Barttorvick has us going 2-5 in January.

Definitely see a 1-4 start in the Big 12. That on top of 4 non conference losses and a road game with Auburn looming would leave us with a massive mountain to climb.

 

[NENick]

Have you guys seen the schedule? This thread will be completely out of control a month from now.

Barttorvick has us going 2-5 in January.

Even going into early February they have road trips to Morgantown and Austin. Its very conceivable they go 3-7 or even 2-8 during that stretch. We are only favored in 2 of those games.

I just don't understand the mindset. What is it in a personality that feels compelled to publicly profess a completely negative view of the future? Is it cathartic? Try thinking more positively. It's good for blood pressure, overall health and happiness.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Have you guys seen the schedule? This thread will be completely out of control a month from now.

Barttorvick has us going 2-5 in January.

Aaaaaaand from last season about this time........

It's only getting worse from here, have you seen the three road games we have this month? Losses are going to pile up quickly.

JFC as if this could get any worse, season is completley falling apart.

 

[Cloned4Life]

I just don't understand the mindset. What is it in a personality that feels compelled to publicly profess a completely negative view of the future? Is it cathartic? Try thinking more positively. It's good for blood pressure, overall health and happiness.

Lol, too funny.

Gotta love the guy on a message board trying to get everyone to just get along and be happy! Cracks me the f up.



PS. Plenty of very happy and positive people believe (with good reason) that the program is in worse shape now that it was 4/5 years ago.

 

[NENick]

Lol, too funny.

Gotta love the guy on a message board trying to get everyone to just get along and be happy! Cracks me the f up.



PS. Plenty of very happy and positive people believe (with good reason) that the program is in worse shape now that it was 4/5 years ago.

Really not at all concerned about your happiness. Or lack thereof. Just think it's gotta be a miserable existance to be dwelling on how badly this team will suck a month from now, next year, etc

 

[Statefan10]

Well for starters he could get his Big 12 record above .500 and quit getting embarrassed in Ames numerous times each year.

Prohms first year: lost two games at home.. by 5 to Baylor, the other by 5 to #14 WVU. Iowa State had a 10-8 conference record.

Prohm's second year: lost three games at home.. by 1 to Cincy in OT, by 4 to #2 KU, and by 13 to #7 WVU, however that game was pretty close the entire way. Iowa State had a 12-6 conference record.

Obviously Prohm's 3rd year was a bad year overall for the program but if you want to get mad at him for that, that's fine, whatever helps you sleep. Iowa State had a 4-14 conference record.

Last year: lost 4 games at home.. by 1 to K-State, by 4 to Baylor, by 7 to #8 Texas Tech, and by 9 to TCU. TCU was the only glaring loss, and they won 23 games on the year. Iowa State had a 9-9 conference record.

So it seems like you're still clenching onto the 2017-2018 season and cannot let it go. Your arguments are usually central to that and you're acting like we've had multiple seasons like that one, although it was probably just an outlier. Every time we lose a game you feel like we shouldn't, you most likely bring up that one season and wave it in every one's face because "that season wouldn't have happened if someone else were the coach".

We've gone from losing 1 game a year at home, to losing 3. It makes a bit of sense too because the conference as a whole has been much better in Steve's years than Fred's. The conference being better has also impacted our conference record.

 

[CoachHines3]

if this thread reaches 85+ pages from now until thursday i know people care way too much about this stupid idea.

 

[Statefan10]

I am the one


Last season? One fewer loss at home and/or beat Ohio State. Not stratospherically unreasonable, especially considering Ohio State was a lower seed.

This season? Beat Iowa at home or at least have it been a close game.

My problem with Prohm is that my expectations are not unreasonable and yet he can't live up to them.

So last year we lost at home to the two teams that won the Big 12 Regular Season Title and we also lost to Baylor. We lost by 1 on a last second shot to K-State and we lost in two really close games to Tech and Baylor by a combined 11 points. We lost the Ohio State game by 3. We could've gotten a mid-major at that seed, but we got a solid Big 10 team with a tremendous post player.

All of those losses were close enough where if one shot goes in here or there, the game is completely different. If you want to blame Prohm for that, go ahead, but your expectations are basically to never lose at home and to win at least a game in the NCAA tournament every year.. That's pretty unreasonable.

I'm upset we lost to Iowa in that fashion this year. As a team we were not prepared from the tip and it showed in the final score. I do not think we are 16 points worse than that team, but as Iowa is now showing, they're not some cupcake.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

So last year we lost at home to the two teams that won the Big 12 Regular Season Title and we also lost to Baylor. We lost by 1 on a last second shot to K-State and we lost in two really close games to Tech and Baylor by a combined 11 points. We lost the Ohio State game by 3. We could've gotten a mid-major at that seed, but we got a solid Big 10 team with a tremendous post player.

All of those losses were close enough where if one shot goes in here or there, the game is completely different. If you want to blame Prohm for that, go ahead, but your expectations are basically to never lose at home and to win at least a game in the NCAA tournament every year.. That's pretty unreasonable.

I'm upset we lost to Iowa in that fashion this year. As a team we were not prepared from the tip and it showed in the final score. I do not think we are 16 points worse than that team, but as Iowa is now showing, they're not some cupcake.

The Iowa game......they made 14 more free throws and 4 more three pointers. They shot %35 from three, we shot %23. That's ball game. Every other stat is almost static. Even with the free throw disparity.......we just match their % behind the line it's a nail biter. But...putting the ball in the hole is what counts. They don't light up the scoreboard with anything else. And unlike the inside game.......where who you play is paramount.....an open three is an open three. Doesn't matter if it's Duke or Purdue/Fort Wayne. Hopefully the guys are finding their stroke.

 

[Statefan10]

The Iowa game......they made 14 more free throws and 4 more three pointers. They shot %35 from three, we shot %23. That's ball game. Every other stat is almost static. Even with the free throw disparity.......we just match their % behind the line it's a nail biter. But...putting the ball in the hole is what counts. They don't light up the scoreboard with anything else. And unlike the inside game.......where who you play is paramount.....an open three is an open three. Doesn't matter if it's Duke or Purdue/Fort Wayne. Hopefully the guys are finding their stroke.

Yeah I don't think we played very good transition defense in the beginning of the game, which allowed some of Iowa's open threes, but Iowa made them. They could've just as easily missed those shots but they didn't.

If you break down our losses, we have lost to some pretty decent teams. We do not have a bad loss. Obviously we should've lost by less to Iowa, but they're ranked #25 and have only lost to good teams as well. I think this team has some issues, but I honestly think we're going to overcome some poor shooting nights and find some wins. I also think we're going to shoot well a couple of nights and win a few games in that fashion. I do believe we can make the NCAA tournament this year, but it honestly seems like there are some people that would rather us miss the tournament this year so Prohm's seat heats up.

 

[NoCreativity]

Last year: lost three games at home.. by 1 to K-State, by 4 to Baylor, and by 7 to #8 Texas Tech. Iowa State had a 9-9 conference record.

Somehow you are forgetting getting blown out by TCU last year, you also conveniently left out the Milwaukee game and getting embarrassed by Tennessee and Iowa.

 

[UnCytely]

All of those losses were close enough where if one shot goes in here or there, the game is completely different. If you want to blame Prohm for that, go ahead, but your expectations are basically to never lose at home and to win at least a game in the NCAA tournament every year.. That's pretty unreasonable.

No, that's not my expectation. My expectation is 1 or 2 losses a conference season at home. I think that is fairly reasonable. Protecting the home court is what good teams do. Over the long term, ISU fans regard ISU as more of a "basketball school" than a "football school", but we can't be much of a "basketball school" if we lose 3 or more games a conference season at home.

 

[Statefan10]

Somehow you are forgetting getting blown out by TCU last year, you also conveniently left out the Milwaukee game and getting embarrassed by Tennessee and Iowa.

I actually did forget about the TCU game. I must've read the schedule wrong. The Milwaukee game was absolutely terrible. If something like that would happen again against a team similar to their quality, I'd want Prohm on the hot seat. Tennessee was a damn good team and we were not. It's simple to see why we lost to them. Iowa played extremely well and is currently playing extremely well, while we played poorly.