we have 3 top 5 picks I know. But the question was flawed given that Tyrese made the NCAA Tournament last year.
This is why Prohm must go........
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Skipped about 30 pages that built up over the past few weeks, and just needed a status update before I take a few days off for Christmas.
How imminent is Prohm's firing? Will he be replaced before I get to Hilton for the home conference opener? Will Fred be wooed back to Ames?
How imminent is Prohm's firing? Will he be replaced before I get to Hilton for the home conference opener? Will Fred be wooed back to Ames?
Translation -- "I refuse to update my judgement despite new evidence, and super positive evidence with the trophy in the case from Kansas City."
Reminds me of this Keynes quote --
I’ve largely skimmed but I think Fred’s last year and last season in isolation were pretty equal. Overall disappointing but they had bright spots. The difference between those two is the context. One was on a path with a clear upward trajectory. The other was on a plateau or negative trajectory. No one is basing their judgement solely on last year. People are making judgements based on everything surrounding the program. The program right now is definitely in a worse spot now than it was after the UAB loss. That is an indisputable fact. What actions should be taken as a result of that fact is the debate.Translation -- "I refuse to update my judgement despite new evidence, and super positive evidence with the trophy in the case from Kansas City."
Reminds me of this Keynes quote --
Translation -- "I refuse to update my judgement despite new evidence, and super positive evidence with the trophy in the case from Kansas City."
Reminds me of this Keynes quote --
You're obsessed with Kansas City, sorry, I make my judgement about a season based on more criteria than a 3 day weekend of basketball.
I think they are probably suggesting that you made your mind up about Prohm in the first season and now are going to beat that drum until you can say that you're right. Most of us are hoping that he rights the ship. Good recruiter, loves the school, not going to get us into legal issues, has a team that busts it's collective ass. I'm guessing that we COULD find somebody that can take his current/future pieces and have a great year with them if we fired CSP.
But I think most of us still believe that he has the ability to do great things and would love to see this guy succeed.
Yeah, I get it, but Im not going to admit something that just isnt true. I feel the program has taken a major step backwards, had he just maintained what Hoiberg built I wouldnt have an issue with him. If he had taken the foundation of what Hoiberg built and turned it into something even better then obviously I would be thrilled with him. Thats not whats taken place over the last 4 years though.
Well this is just not true. Also, what could Prohm have done to make you happy? A regular season conference title? An elite 8, final 4, or national championship?
Understandable. But do you even allow him that there was nothing behind that stud lineup he inherited?
No no.. It's Prohm's fault for not being able to bring in a remarkable recruiting class / grad transfers to help that team his first year, even though Prohm got to Iowa State like the second week of May.
That's some pretty good detective work to find that and in my mind, fully encompasses most anti-Prohm people's thoughts. It's not about Prohm it's about Hoiberg. If Prohm takes this team to the NCAA tournament, which would be a damn good season for this roster, the anti-Prohm group would find a way to spin it negatively. They'd most likely say that in year 5, Prohm shouldn't be scraping by to make the tournament, or he should've put together a better roster to make a deeper run.
Well, no need of sugar coating this anymore with him.....here is another to go along with the "I don't hate, I never called for, yes, no.....maybe so".......
Now in all fairness, he wasn't the only one spewing this....there were others to be sure. He is however the most vocal in denying he ever did. And to think this came a week after we beat KU.
I dont think Fred would have matched these last few recruiting classes. We could potentially be in a a better place now than if Fred had stayed, or at the minimum right on par.
The transfer market isnt some kind of hidden gem anymore. And outside of one class, how many other impact freshmen did Fred recruit.
I dont think anybody would argue Fred is the better x's and o's guy, but Prohm has literally achieved everything Fred ever did, and has recruited much much better.
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A short timeline of last season, simplified --
Things went really well from the start of the season to the end of January.
February was the month from hell, and the debacle in Morgantown was the low point.
Despite that, they came back to Ames and played good against an excellent Texas Tech team in Ames and surprised everybody to win the Big 12 tournament.
We lost a close, physical game to Ohio State.
I was much closer to you after that game at West Virginia. I, however, have accounted for the fact that Prohm pulled them back from the brink to play a few good and a few great games to come home with a trophy. You keep wanting to minimize the run in Kansas City because it is inconvenient to your story, trying to revert everything to the shocking disappointment after the West Virginia game, but I pulled myself back from that brink because the team and program did something after that which is undeniably a historical and rare accomplishment for Iowa State basketball. You said the season was a "disaster" even before that. Unless your demand is a Big 12 regular season championship, which is, again, something only Larry has ever done, then you really should look back on the last decade as a waste rather than a triumph. Royce never won a Big 12 regular season championship. Niang and Eijm never did. Fred could not do it with *FIVE* NBA players (plus McKay and Hogue, two excellent posts/role players/overseas players) in 2014-2015. Hell, he could not keep them focused enough to beat incredibly ****** South Carolina, Texas Tech, and UAB teams.
Why is Prohm held to such a higher standard?
Two head coaches have won two Big 12 tournaments for the Cyclones -- Fred Hoiberg and Steve Prohm, and Prohm has a way better chance at three.
You seem not to want to update your views with new and positive evidence.
Well for starters he could get his Big 12 record above .500 and quit getting embarrassed in Ames numerous times each year.
