Big 12 Wrestling Touney Thread

[HGoat1]

I think Ok State will be
165 - Joe Smith.
174 - Jacobe Smith
184 - Dakota Geer
197 - Preston Weigel

This could backfire big time on Ok State. Weigel could get hurt and the cut to 165 for Joe Smith could really hurt his performance.

I really don't see the benefit of the changes at 165 & 174.
Geer is a 184 pounder, so let him challenge Ja Smith at 184 and able to go back up if Weigel gets hurt again,

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Jacobe Smith has been a lot better at 184 than Geer was when he was down there. Leave Chandler Rodgers/JoJo at 65&74, let Jacobe and Geer wrestle off for 184.

We'll see how it pans out for them, I guess. Knew they were going to have this problem coming into the year, don't get why they are getting it sorted out now at the end of the season.

 

[buf87]

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Jacobe Smith has been a lot better at 184 than Geer was when he was down there. Leave Chandler Rodgers/JoJo at 65&74, let Jacobe and Geer wrestle off for 184.

We'll see how it pans out for them, I guess. Knew they were going to have this problem coming into the year, don't get why they are getting it sorted out now at the end of the season.

Especially when Joe Smith can't get an allocation at 165, Jacobe Smith can't get one at 174, and Dakota Geer can't get one at 184. Smith has a tendency to screw the conference over on allocations.

All 3 are pretty much guaranteed to steal a spot.

 

[JM4CY]

Especially when Joe Smith can't get an allocation at 165, Jacobe Smith can't get one at 174, and Dakota Geer can't get one at 184. Smith has a tendency to screw the conference over on allocations.

All 3 are pretty much guaranteed to steal a spot.

That's kind of a joke but I guess there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[buf87]

I heard Joe Smith might be sick and not able to make 165. If so, Chandler Rogers stays and we keep all the allocations at 165.

When do Big 12 tourney preseeds come out?

 

[GrappleCy]

I heard Joe Smith might be sick and not able to make 165. If so, Chandler Rogers stays and we keep all the allocations at 165.

When do Big 12 tourney preseeds come out?

The past two years they came out the Monday before the tournament so I'm guessing we'll see them tomorrow.

https://cyclones.com/news/2018/2/26/big-12-announces-wrestling-championship-pre-seeds.aspx

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=211507009

 

[HGoat1]

I wish the tourney was in kansas city!

 

[cyputz]

Allocations

 

[cyclonegrap]

Big 12 pre-seeds and pre-brackets:

http://www.big12sports.com/attachments1/files/10410/641095.pdf

125: 5. Alex Mackall ISU vs. 4. Rico Montoya UNCO / Devin Brown WVU
133: 2. Austin Gomez ISU vs. 7. John Twomey AF / Jack Skudlarczyk UNI
141: 2. Ian Parker ISU vs. 7. Garrett O’Shea AF / Sawyer Degen NDSU
149: 3. Jarrett Degen ISU vs 6. Davion Jeffries OU / Matthew Ontiveros UVU
157: 3. Chase Straw ISU vs. Paden Moore UNI
165: Logan Schumacher ISU vs. 5. Nick Kiussis WVU
174: 4. Marcus Coleman ISU vs. 5. Hayden Hastings WYO / Samuel Grove SDSU
184: 1. Sam Colbray ISU vs. Jake Thompson AF
197: 2. Willie Miklus ISU vs. Anthony McLaughlin AF
HWT: 3. Gannon Gremmel ISU vs. 6. Carter Isley UNI / Brandon Metz NDSU

 

[1100011CS]

Can someone explain these messed up brackets to me? A 1 seed has to win a match to meet the 8 seed? WTF?

http://intermatwrestle.com/Files/pdf/2019big12championships.pdf

 

[theshadow]

They drew for byes.

 

[buf87]

Can someone explain these messed up brackets to me? A 1 seed has to win a match to meet the 8 seed? WTF?

http://intermatwrestle.com/Files/pdf/2019big12championships.pdf

I think it has to do with team scoring. With the 1 and 2 seed never having a 1st round match, they can't get bonus points for that round

 

[csteve]

Can someone explain these messed up brackets to me? A 1 seed has to win a match to meet the 8 seed? WTF?

http://intermatwrestle.com/Files/pdf/2019big12championships.pdf

8 wrestlers were seeded and they drew in the 2 byes on each half of the bracket. Luck of the draw for byes. Some wrestlers/coaches want the first match and others want a bye. This is how it's done in most every tournament.

 

[BillyClone]

Can anybody confirm the following for team tournament scoring at Big 12:

Placement Points
1st - 12 points
2nd - 10 points
3rd - 9 points
4th - 7 points
5th - 6 points
6th - 4 points

(I know 149 and 197 will have a 7th place match for qualifying purposes, but I'm guessing that won't have team scoring points???)

Advancement Points
Championship Bracket = 1 point
Consolation Bracket = 0.5 point

Bonus Points
Fall, Forfeit, Med For, Default, Disqualification = 2 points
Tech Fall = 1.5 points
Major Dec = 1 point

(Do they differentiate between Tech Falls with and without nearfall points???)

Never fully sure on some of this, especially at the conference tournament.

 

[GrappleCy]

Can someone explain these messed up brackets to me? A 1 seed has to win a match to meet the 8 seed? WTF?

http://intermatwrestle.com/Files/pdf/2019big12championships.pdf

It's a normal 8 man bracket with 4 randomly drawn in pigtails but they went out of their way to make it look as confusing as possible so that they could use the same template for every bracket.

The second round is still going to be (barring upsets)
1-8
2-7
3-6
4-5

and same for the semifinals
1-4
2-3

1/8/4/5 are all in the top half and 2/7/3/6 are all in the bottom half. They just moved the matches around on the bracket sheet depending on who drew a pigtail so that every bracket would look the same on the printouts.

 

[stuclone]

Redraw at 165. Instead of having the WVU guy who Logan lost to by 1 point, he gets to wrestle the 8 seed... - Jo Jo Smith from Okie State

 

[buf87]

Redraw at 165. Instead of having the WVU guy who Logan lost to by 1 point, he gets to wrestle the 8 seed... - Jo Jo Smith from Okie State

Have you seen the new bracket?

 

[buf87]

This might get interesting, If Smith beats Logan, he will have #1 seeded Brandon Ashworth.

 

[HitItHard58]

Redraw at 165. Instead of having the WVU guy who Logan lost to by 1 point, he gets to wrestle the 8 seed... - Jo Jo Smith from Okie State

@Andegre how soon will that change be made for the Big 12 tourney pick em? I think I'd like to change my pick at 165

 

[farm85]

Not sure, but Joe Smith was not in the lineup against Iowa. Not sure if that's a product of the weight cutting plan or what. Still sounds like they plan to get Smith down to 74 and put Greer in at 84 from what I've seen.

"It is what it is"..says Coach John Smith.

https://pistolsfiringblog.com/osu-w...ecaps-wrestle-off-big-12-tourney-preparation/

 

[buf87]

Redraw at 165. Instead of having the WVU guy who Logan lost to by 1 point, he gets to wrestle the 8 seed... - Jo Jo Smith from Okie State

Is something happening, they took the tweet down. Someone complaining about the placement in the bracket? I wouldn't be happy if I was the Wyoming coach and got Smith 2nd round as the #1 seed