Will Prohm ever win a championship?
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After walking around this earth for almost 63 years, I have found that two of the most dangerous words in the English language are "always" and "never".
Honestly Shayock is about as good as any. Our worst deficiencies lately have been defense (especially down low) and not actually running any real offense besides passing around the outside.
2 for 20 on threes is a crazy outlier. We've only had 2 terrible (IMO) losses this season--TCU and Iowa. The rest, while extremely frustrating, were at least winnable until the end.
You mean especially on the perimeter and ball-screens? I wonder how many of our offensive rebounds given up come after we scrambled to recover after allowing the opponent to easily drive to the hoop?
Fair point. That's generally what leads to them getting points in the paint against us.
I've seen Lard catch a little blame for this. He often has very little choice. Someone gets beat off the dribble and he's the only thing left between them and the rim so he has to challenge and then his guy can rebound. The perimeter defense hasn't been good and it really seems like guys are just slow out there.
Truthfully, we are one skilled big man away from being a top 5 team in the league. Every one of this teams issues stem from this missing link (With exception of out of bounds plays). If we had a guy on the inside we could run our offense through, it would eliminate some of our biggest issues offensively which is blanket pressure on the perimeter. They know we want to shoot threes opposed to playing inside. Being able to hit the post forcing the defense to sag off the guards a bit consistently would give our guards better looks, better opportunities to drive and less pressure to make a dumb move (Looking at you Wigs and Tucker). Lard has moments of this and our team really looks different when he is clicking. Jacobson has shown flashes as well but running him with Tucker as our posts hurts us a lot on defense & rebounding.
Having a dominant post for defense and rebounding is what the biggest difference maker would be. Just having Young in the lineup would have been very beneficial right now for those points alone. If both were in the game for various stretches, it allows one to go for the block and the other to secure the rebound. Every time Lard comes off his man for help defense/block, the miss goes right to Lard's man where he either puts it back in or kicks it back out for another possession. Absolutely killing us down the stretch.
Having a dominant post for defense and rebounding is what the biggest difference maker would be. Just having Young in the lineup would have been very beneficial right now for those points alone. If both were in the game for various stretches, it allows one to go for the block and the other to secure the rebound. Every time Lard comes off his man for help defense/block, the miss goes right to Lard's man where he either puts it back in or kicks it back out for another possession. Absolutely killing us down the stretch.
Yeah, if he was an underclassman, I would say force him into the gym to make 500 threes per day all summer until he develops something of an outside shot.
Unfortunately, he is a senior and we only had him for two season.
His Cyclone career is winding down, but it is not over yet.
It’s hard to differentiate fault imo, which is probably a sign of just how badly we’ve struggled at times.
Lard often has very little choice because of his earlier actions, or lack thereof. He’s often guilty of misplaying the screen or chasing blocks. He needs to do more work, earlier
Larry Eustachy called, and he'd like you to hold his beer (no/maybe pun intended)...
What a preposterous statement. Please list the long line of ISU coaches who have made the steady rise you're describing... OK... now list the coaches among all college BB coaches...quite a list you have...?
Fred was great for ISU when he was here, but to assume that his teams would have continued their rise is the strawman no one can meet. If that's where you want to be, more power to you - you just might want to move your allegiance to the perfect team/coach, whatever that is.
If you can't seriously look at Fred's teams and realize that he was walking a fine line with the transfers he was taking, you're simply choosing to ignore facts. Sometimes it worked well, sometimes it bit - see that amazingly talented team that lost to UAB. If you switch coaches and Prohm had done that, you'd never forgive him.
Prohm does things I just don't understand (e.g., playing Babb/Shayok tons of minutes, out-of-bounds plays), but the guy dug out of the hole Fred left and has us back to being a potentially-excellent, but so inconsistent, team. His teams have clicked better every year as the season has gone one, which has caused me to just realize that my "expertise" may have to be set aside for someone who's paid to do this and has done it well. This year, who knows, but I'm happy with where we are - and, I would have loved if Fred stayed for a long time. But, he didn't.
This is such a lazy argument "If you can't seriously look at Fred's teams and realize that he was walking a fine line with the transfers he was taking, you're simply choosing to ignore facts." Prohm's first season here was Niang, Naz, Monte, & Matt, all 4-year Hoiberg guys. He had Burton, McKay, Nader, & NWB as those transfers who Fred brought in as well. But Prohm is using transfers as major pieces too. Prohm recruited some solid players out of Chicago and they might end up great in a couple years, just like Fred's 4-year guys did. But I'll guarantee Prohm walks the same "fine line with transfers he" takes. Unless you're ignoring facts.
I have always had a what-if in my head about Donovan red-shirting his first season here to (1.) get his wrist fully healthy and (2.) practice/learn from the seniors.
That would have downgraded the "four horsemen" year slightly, because he was really good as a junior playing the role of the bench gunner. I think he was a little over his head as a full-time starter his senior year, but he was definitely a nice piece.
Thing is, if we have him now, then we probably do not have one of the other guards/wings, and I do not know which of them you would trade him for at the moment.
I think it worked out okay. You would need to have a more rounded player (e.g., Chris Babb or Naz or Matt) to really contemplate replacing one of our five wings.
Why bother with a response like this? Would I post it if I wasn't serious? If your argument is against my first sentence, give my your reasoning as to why it's not. If your argument is mental maturity and leadership, I can agree but when talking about what ifs, there are several possibilities so it's not out of the question. But tell me how having say a Larson at post wouldn't make ISU a top 5 team.
Hard to win a Big 12 championship, you need mental toughness, balance, a combination of great offense and serviceable defense, or great defense and serviceable offense.
LE's guys were just nasty bunch.
That last coach and current coach, definitely have a different approach, and while teams were are talented, they were not the type to grind you down.
KSU is not a great team, but the are a blue collar bunch, it is hard to play them. They just muck it up.
Kansas most years had loads of talent, but Self also could win a defensive struggle or an offensive shoot out. His teams generally have had the right mix.
LE's guys were just nasty bunch.
That last coach and current coach, definitely have a different approach, and while teams were are talented, they were not the type to grind you down.
KSU is not a great team, but the are a blue collar bunch, it is hard to play them. They just muck it up.
Kansas most years had loads of talent, but Self also could win a defensive struggle or an offensive shoot out. His teams generally have had the right mix.
Rather than just call 20 win seasons, beating multiple ranked teams on the road and still with an opportunity to do great things "mediocre"-why don't you post your solution and how you would carry it out? Oh yeah because it's easier to just ***** on social media and make it sound like it's easy.
Didn't mean to imply that only Fred took transfers. Was commenting on the difficulty at managing some of the personalities with them - that's the nature of the beast. I'd guess that was a major problem with the team that lost to UAB - no inside info; just what you could see on the court/bench. Agree that Prohm takes them too; Fred just took more.
