To all the Prohm Haters...
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http://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php
The columns on the right.
Returning minutes (adjusted for injuries)
Returning possession minutes
Ironically, however, only ~40% of our minutes are being played by returners. The Barttovik numbers are based on a preseason projection of likely starters and rotational players, which only has so much bearing on what teams have actually done with their rotations this season. Only Nick and Lindell remain from the rotation last season, and Lindell only recently. That is what happens when you start two sit-out transfers, two true freshmen, your two starting posts from last season are injured, and everybody else from that (admittedly bad) team is gone now.
We turned over 5/7 spots in our rotation and 3/5 starters since last year.
And that was after turning over 4/5 starters and 5/7 rotation spots the season before, too.
Considering the cliff the roster went off, the fact we have a pretty good team, talent incoming, good recruiting, and a balance scholarship chart is an accomplishment.
There's only one very big difference. One can't possibly 'help' the program while the other one can't possibly 'hurt' the program.
I don’t know how anyone can observe ISU’s inability to run an inbounds play out of a dead ball or timeout and think, “Wow, this team is well coached.”
Easy there Marty....things will be Fine.
To your last, he gives us a better chance at that than Fred (with all due respect to how good of coach he is). The reason? Defense. Fred's teams were powerhouses on the offensive end, but you need more balance to advance deep into the tournament because sometimes you will simply shoot poorly.
I don't know how anyone could look at the totality of the results and think it isn't.
I absolutely love coach prohm as a person and as our coach. If you gave me a choice right now between prohm or Hoiberg i would take prohm. That being said, is it ok to suggest we work on inbounds plays and end of game offense or does that take away my iowa state fan card?
I think this is part of the divide. I think the group that thinks Prohm is an awful clueless coach is very small (maybe one poster). The bigger pronounced divide is in those that think he is a decent coach that would be good at a slightly lower level. In the Big 12 we need a great coach. The talent level of coaches has been diluted a bit the last year or so but there was a time where we had 9 great coaches if I have my timeline correct.
We absolutely should make the tournament 80%+ of the time. We should however also have those great years. I don’t have any sort of confidence that Prohm gets us to those. Look at the 2 Sweet Sixteens for comparisons sake of what our potential should be. In Fred’s run we got to a Sweet Sixteen with a major injury and almost beat the eventual champions. With Prohms run we got two double digit seeds and lost relatively handedly to a team that lost in the Elite Eight.
IMO we should be striving for the next step with Prohm. We shouldn’t be accepting more of the same. I’m by no means advocating for Fred. I think his hatred of recruiting is a big block for him. I just think people need to Raise the Standard to the one that Fred set when he was here.
So who do you propose as a replacement to Prohm to "Raise the Standard" back to the good ole Hoiberg ways? ISU made a coaching decision to bring in a coach that favors guard play and defense. I for one enjoyed the hell out of the game last night...warts and all. We scored 16 points above the average that TTech allows...and it was a joy to watch much of the defensive sets that we applied. And this is with a team that is still trying to find its identity after injuries and suspensions unbalanced it. Enjoy the show...
Love both coaches, and think this argument is silly. But did people nitpick Fred's coaching the way they do now?
Not sure how you could look at the young talent on this team and think that the next step isn't already in progress.
He got criticism, some of it washed out by the hometown hero aura that Fred has (deservedly so, he earned that). With Prohm, the critique goes beyond the apparent results.
Yeah this definitely isn’t just an anti prohm rant at all.
What did he do to you?
I do not get this feeling at all. While I agree the group is small, it's at least a dozen posters that think this way. Many weren't seen after the game last night.
The young talent is a real reason for the criticism. This team has top 15 talent when they gel. We haven’t looked close to that except against bad teams and maybe a little against Kansas. To reach our full potential we need to fix things such as our out of bounds plays and our habit of tightening up on offense and disappearing late in games.
At this point no one is doubting the recruiting of Prohm. The issue is in game coaching adjustments. People always defend it as players have to execute and to an extent that is true but it is a characteristic of his teams at this point.
