To all the Prohm Haters...
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I will agree that defense won the game. My personal play of the game was when LW turned over to Culver and then stole the lob right back and we got a MJ layup. Huge momentum play. About the 4 minute mark in the 2H.
CycloneErik
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You can say anything you want. Ive given CSP credit with his ability to respond in must win situations when no one gives him a chance, and I have been critical of his OOB and SLOB plays and 14-21 record (updated with tonight's win) in games decided by 5 points or less. I think both are facts. I don't want Hoiberg back but I sure as hell thought he did a hell of a job with "specials". And Steve does a hell of a job with defensive pressure and fillings gaps on defense.
No as I said the players don’t seem to commit holding their screens, and they aren’t cutting as hard as they need to in order to move the defense.
My wife is one in the Fred 2.0 camp and has been since the day he left to "try the NBA coaching thing". Him getting fired by the Bulls only intensified that desire. I have to walk her back on that often. Those people exist for sure.
Prohm was the answer of who we needed we Fred left. Any disruption at the top between then and now would have been catastrophic with the imbalance in our roster and the likely talent transfer out that happens when head coaches leave. The roster is stable now, ISU is performing well, and Prohm deserves credit for both.
I consistently value the way his guys minimize turnovers and the way he coaches the whole athlete. If the question is, "Who will consistently put ISU in position to win 22 games per year, make the tourney 80% of the time, and do it the right way?" The answer is Prohm for years.
If the question is, "Who is leading Iowa State to a Final Four?" The answer is not Prohm. My consistent (not knee-jerk reactions) criticisms are clock management, timeout usage, and execution coming out of dead balls. Those things swing tight games. What's Prohm's record at ISU in games decided by 5 or fewer points against teams who ended up in the tourney or top40 RPI?
Prohm was the answer of who we needed we Fred left. Any disruption at the top between then and now would have been catastrophic with the imbalance in our roster and the likely talent transfer out that happens when head coaches leave. The roster is stable now, ISU is performing well, and Prohm deserves credit for both.
I consistently value the way his guys minimize turnovers and the way he coaches the whole athlete. If the question is, "Who will consistently put ISU in position to win 22 games per year, make the tourney 80% of the time, and do it the right way?" The answer is Prohm for years.
If the question is, "Who is leading Iowa State to a Final Four?" The answer is not Prohm. My consistent (not knee-jerk reactions) criticisms are clock management, timeout usage, and execution coming out of dead balls. Those things swing tight games. What's Prohm's record at ISU in games decided by 5 or fewer points against teams who ended up in the tourney or top40 RPI?
And Fred could have very easily lost at least 6 more of those games. Coaches look much smarter when the shots go in.
Erik and Chaser are being smart alecks. But there are certainly some that are just jerks.
Got it. Completely on the players. Let not do this tonight after this win.
On a side note I know you made the trip to Lubbock how were the fans at United?
The point is simple. The players make the plays. If they didn’t Rick Majerus May have won more national titles that wooden.
It was fun. Really loud at the start. Then shocked going into half. They got loud, which I think also had an impact on our guys.
But Lubbock is a ********, and their fans are Walmart shoppers who wear pajamas in public. But they were into it though. Let’s just say I can understand why Marcus smart went into the stands
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but mainly your wife just wants to have Fred's child
. (JK)
Sigma, do you know if one of the analytic sites does a stat on minutes continuity, experience or something along those lines? I agree we have a nice blend but just curious where we're at in that type of metric/how we compare to other teams across the country. Thx in advance if you're able to dig that up
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Steve Prohm the first ISU coach to be a #1 ranked team since ISU beat the KU back in 1957
Steve Prohm the first coach to win at KU since LE
Steve Prohm has 7 top 10 wins in his short tenure at ISU
Steve Prohm has brought in 2 top 40 players, and has done a better job than his predecessor of balancing classes. He still looks to bring a transfer or 2, but has placed a greater emphasis on bringing in high school talent.
The team seems to understand that defense is part of the game, they are in games with a chance to win them.
ISU still loses those head scratchers, but they did under Fred too.
I am all for constructive criticism, I still think his teams run offense very well. If you watch games there always ebbs and flows. I have heard announcers comment team is standing around, this has been said about Duke, Kansas, MSU, and other heavy weights
Funny thing is ISU is top 20 in offensive efficiency and top 25 defensive efficiency.
Dude can coach
Sometimes people are harder on their own I guess
Steve Prohm the first ISU coach to be a #1 ranked team since ISU beat the KU back in 1957
Steve Prohm the first coach to win at KU since LE
Steve Prohm has 7 top 10 wins in his short tenure at ISU
Steve Prohm has brought in 2 top 40 players, and has done a better job than his predecessor of balancing classes. He still looks to bring a transfer or 2, but has placed a greater emphasis on bringing in high school talent.
The team seems to understand that defense is part of the game, they are in games with a chance to win them.
ISU still loses those head scratchers, but they did under Fred too.
I am all for constructive criticism, I still think his teams run offense very well. If you watch games there always ebbs and flows. I have heard announcers comment team is standing around, this has been said about Duke, Kansas, MSU, and other heavy weights
Funny thing is ISU is top 20 in offensive efficiency and top 25 defensive efficiency.
Dude can coach
Sometimes people are harder on their own I guess
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We definitely look like we're just going through the motions on OOB plays. Slow running, no hustle, no sharp cuts, lazy screens.
Should be easily cleaned up if it's focused on. Need to harp on the players about it.
Should be easily cleaned up if it's focused on. Need to harp on the players about it.
Good post...I think we are harder on our own. I know I am guilty of it.
I think Wayne got a win in Lawrence after LE....Stinson game winner.
CycloneErik
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I hate to be the one to tell you this, but mainly your wife just wants to have Fred's child
Who doesn't?
KenPom has a metric for experience and minutes continuity. Experience we are 249th with a player experience mean of 1.45 years. ISU is also 310th in minutes continuity with 27.4% of the same minutes being played by the same players between this season and last season.
In the context of all NCAA teams, ISU does not have a lot of experience or continuity. Minutes continuity and offensive efficiency are significantly correlated. That means the offense is only going to get better, right?
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