MBB Open Scholarship

[CyCal]

The comparison of Haliburton - Garrett is fine. I'd be happy if he is DG by his senior year. My point is, Garrett had the role he had because those dteams were so bad. Freshman DG doesn't play meaningful minutes on next years team and Haliburton won't either imo. Haliburton needs time in the weight room. Doesn't mean he can't be a good player with his slight frame.

I stick by everything I said. DG doesn't play in the NBA without Hoiberg. Disagree all you want but it's true. You can say "Garrett was a skinny freshman and was good, therefore Haliburton can be the same" all you want, it's not going to change the fact that the 18'-19' roster is lightyears ahead of the 07'-08' team in talent. And Haliburton is good. It's just we aren't TOE. We aren't going to play 12 guys every night.

My point was that Haliburton has the possibility of being a decent backup point guard if needed. You don't seem to think that he will be needed next year due to this team's depth, and I am inclined to agree with you on that point. I think we are loaded, especially at guard.

The whole discussion is about what we need to add with an open scholarship though. I don't think we need to worry too much about a point guard. If we have a starting point guard (NWB), a starting off guard that really needs to become a point guard if he wants to make the NBA, a highly touted incoming freshmen that the coach says can play 1-3 (in his original quote after THT signed), and Haliburton who is likely not ready for a major role but could probably fill in service-ably (think at a freshman year DG level, but not as vital to the team.)

As for DG not making the NBA without Hoiberg, I can see that point. I probably shouldn't have quoted that post for my response. It was more a response to some of your earlier statements. I think DG would have likely struggled to get any looks from the NBA without Hoiberg as well, especially considering his incredible jump from his junior to senior seasons. I think it is worth noting that Prohm seems to be much closer to Hoiberg in terms of player development than GMac was. I guess when it comes down to it, we aren't even disagreeing that much...

 

[CycloneErik]

He played on Penny's AAU team and is from nearby Memphis

Well, never mind that option.

 

[Cydkar]

Oh yeah, I remember him. He's the one that played on those terrible McDermott teams.

Probably not the best guy to pull out of your hat to justify Haliburton's frame.

WUT

 

[omar34]

I hope you are right but I think you are crazy.

Talley can bring the ball up the court, he did great against WV!

 

[FinalFourCy]

Talley can bring the ball up the court, he did great against WV!

And we should do that more.
NWB is a good full-time pg, but our best teams have had multiple guys that initiated offense. Talley can be that. Not even Morris had the load NWB sometimes was shouldering.

 

[LLCoolCY]

And we should do that more.
NWB is a good full-time pg, but our best teams have had multiple guys that initiated offense. Talley can be that. Not even Morris had the load NWB sometimes was shouldering.

The silver lining of the NWB injury is it forced the ball handling duties to Wigginton and Talley. Giving both valuable experience for next year. I expect LW to be the starting PG this year and NWB to be the second option initiating the offense. It will be a close split 65/35%ish not the 95% NWB was handling when he was healthy and playing 38 minutes per night.

 

[AuH2O]

My point was that Haliburton has the possibility of being a decent backup point guard if needed. You don't seem to think that he will be needed next year due to this team's depth, and I am inclined to agree with you on that point. I think we are loaded, especially at guard.

The whole discussion is about what we need to add with an open scholarship though. I don't think we need to worry too much about a point guard. If we have a starting point guard (NWB), a starting off guard that really needs to become a point guard if he wants to make the NBA, a highly touted incoming freshmen that the coach says can play 1-3 (in his original quote after THT signed), and Haliburton who is likely not ready for a major role but could probably fill in service-ably (think at a freshman year DG level, but not as vital to the team.)

As for DG not making the NBA without Hoiberg, I can see that point. I probably shouldn't have quoted that post for my response. It was more a response to some of your earlier statements. I think DG would have likely struggled to get any looks from the NBA without Hoiberg as well, especially considering his incredible jump from his junior to senior seasons. I think it is worth noting that Prohm seems to be much closer to Hoiberg in terms of player development than GMac was. I guess when it comes down to it, we aren't even disagreeing that much...

DGs FG%, 3pt% and A/T ratio all got worse as a senior. He just played more minutes, played a drastically faster pace, and got a LOT more shots, which tends to happen when lose an NBA first round pick. Not to mention he came on strong at the end of his Jr. Season.

 

[bosco]

****, I was at ISU for the Michigan State game and the Blarge. Then I watched Seneca and the football team melt down against OU and turn a 6-1 record into 7-7. And Larry Eustachy flushed his career down the drain for Natty Lites and Mizzou co-eds. And then they hired Wayne Morgan and wasted years of talented players.

 

[Psiclone]

The silver lining of the NWB injury is it forced the ball handling duties to Wigginton and Talley. Giving both valuable experience for next year. I expect LW to be the starting PG this year and NWB to be the second option initiating the offense. It will be a close split 65/35%ish not the 95% NWB was handling when he was healthy and playing 38 minutes per night.

Your percentages are right, but they should be reversed. NWB will get the bulk of minutes at the PG position.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Your percentages are right, but they should be reversed. NWB will get the bulk of minutes at the PG position.

I agree, though I think with our depth and flexibility, we should try to keep Nick around a 32 minute per night average. Keep him (and everyone else) relatively fresh.

 

[LLCoolCY]

Your percentages are right, but they should be reversed. NWB will get the bulk of minutes at the PG position.

I believe the plan was to ease in Lindell to the PG responsibilities this year with the plan of him starting in year 2. LW's ability to penetrate and finish will raise the ceiling of the team and I think Prohm will handle over the keys. Lindell needs to tight up his handle for sure but I am confident the experience he got this year will pay dividends next season.

 

[CubsClones1]

I believe the plan was to ease in Lindell to the PG responsibilities this year with the plan of him starting in year 2. LW's ability to penetrate and finish will raise the ceiling of the team and I think Prohm will handle over the keys. Lindell needs to tight up his handle for sure but I am confident the experience he got this year will pay dividends next season.

I'd love to see NWB and LW turning into what Stinson and Blalock were for the program. Both Stinson and Blalock would/could bring the ball up and initiate the offense and they played so well off of each other.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I believe the plan was to ease in Lindell to the PG responsibilities this year with the plan of him starting in year 2. LW's ability to penetrate and finish will raise the ceiling of the team and I think Prohm will handle over the keys. Lindell needs to tight up his handle for sure but I am confident the experience he got this year will pay dividends next season.

I think it’s more likely the plan is to play the best pg at pg, which isn’t Lindell unless he makes a huge amount of progress this offseason and NWB doesn’t improve.

And that was the narrative on Wigginton for years now, and he was just as challenged as a pg in his last game as his first. He does some things well, but almost all of those are better utilized as a shooting guard. As a very high usage guard he struggled to create assists (or even basic post feeds) and shot a low effective field goal percentage despite being a good 3P shooter. The ability to penetrate and finish isn’t about the occasional freak athleticism play.

 

[bozclone]

Any word on what they are doing with NWB to get him healthy for next year? We need his knee to be better. If he is going to be our starting PG like many are suggesting, we need him to be 100% healthy and it can't be like this year where he is just dealing with it. If it is a concern at all, I start the year with Wigginton at the point. It may make managing NWBs minutes easier and reduce the risk of upsetting the team mid-season.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I believe the plan was to ease in Lindell to the PG responsibilities this year with the plan of him starting in year 2. LW's ability to penetrate and finish will raise the ceiling of the team and I think Prohm will handle over the keys. Lindell needs to tight up his handle for sure but I am confident the experience he got this year will pay dividends next season.

I think it's really year three for being "the guy" at PG.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Any word on what they are doing with NWB to get him healthy for next year? We need his knee to be better. If he is going to be our starting PG like many are suggesting, we need him to be 100% healthy and it can't be like this year where he is just dealing with it. If it is a concern at all, I start the year with Wigginton at the point. It may make managing NWBs minutes easier and reduce the risk of upsetting the team mid-season.

I'd imagine lots of rest, light work outs and stretching.

 

[rholtgraves]

I think it’s more likely the plan is to play the best pg at pg, which isn’t Lindell unless he makes a huge amount of progress this offseason and NWB doesn’t improve.

And that was the narrative on Wigginton for years now, and he was just as challenged as a pg in his last game as his first. He does some things well, but almost all of those are better utilized as a shooting guard. As a very high usage guard he struggled to create assists (or even basic post feeds) and shot a low effective field goal percentage despite being a good 3P shooter. The ability to penetrate and finish isn’t about the occasional freak athleticism play.

I would bet money that Wigginton shares PG duties next year. Give Prohm an offseason to work with him and I would be very surprised if he isn't vastly improved.

 

[TheJackWePack5]

I would bet money that Wigginton shares PG duties next year. Give Prohm an offseason to work with him and I would be very surprised if he isn't vastly improved.

I agree with this.

It gives the team a different dynamic (he's a better slasher than NWB so far), & if Lindell has half of the work ethic we think he has then he will vastly improve his handles/distributing.

 

[Knownothing]

I would put Lindell in the same category as Devonte Graham at Kansas. Kind of a shooting and point guard. However, I don't think Lindell is a Pure point guard and would rather see us bring in a point guard to run the show and keep Lindell at the 2. Yet, he can run the point if he has to as well.

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

When you have a guy like NWB that can almost hit a triple double any given night playing point in pain and much lower turnover rate then LW has you are not going to swap that. LW will probably be splitting time at pg, but NWB will and should be our pg unless things change, and if they do I trust Prohm to make that decision.