Marial Shayok is going to be really good next year guys
Marial Shayok Commits to ISU
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I'm with you on this. If he doesn't develop his skill set, which he very well could, he could see the bench a lot next year. To be brutally honest, he's the type of player he is isn't nearly as valuable as it used to be. The argument for him is defense and rebounding, but he's not a rim protector and out of zone rebounder like Lard, and he's not a big threat from three.
Scoring on post-ups is one of the least efficient ways to score in basketball. Accordingly, offenses have gone away from that "traditional" style of offense, making the ability to defend the dribble and switch out on the perimeter.
The game has changed, guys. Big men are eurostepping now. Time to leave the 90s
Babb is also putting up Royce White type numbers. He averages more assists than Monte's best year.
Whether he maintains those numbers all year remains to be seen but any talk of him having a diminished role next year is laughable honestly.
Whether he maintains those numbers all year remains to be seen but any talk of him having a diminished role next year is laughable honestly.
Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are blowing things out of proportion or losing sleep over them. If you can't see how the 4 becoming a more legitimate threat to score at the arc can totally change the team and totally change how teams have to defend them you haven't been paying attention to ISU basketball for the last decade.
We have a player every year who doesn’t do much one year after transferring in, then busts out his final season. Talley is a prime candidate for next year, even on a stacked team. Difference is he will likely have to bust out off the bench, instead of as a starter.
Some guys just have to get comfortable and more aggressive, and don’t do it their first year.
So we aren't winning the Big 12 next year because Solomon isn't a good 3 point shooter.
Got it.
You don’t have to be a great 3% team to win it all. We’ve had great 3% teams and didn’t even win the Big12.
I personally prefer the taller, more athletic, and putting an emphasis on defense route we are going.
I personally prefer the taller, more athletic, and putting an emphasis on defense route we are going.
I think it is completely fair to say that it is much harder to imagine Solomon going to the bench, even if still in the rotation, if he had a credible outside shot.
Could you imagine Lard working 1v1 on the block and on the boards?
Imagine what an open lane would do for Wigginton, NWB, or Shayok streaking to the basket, with Lard lurking for the rebound or in the dunker's position?
Having a guy who can hit from any range *and* defend any post in the conference?
That is a nice piece for any coach to have.
I think he is too big and strong on defense to imagine not playing, but I could see him becoming match-up specific unless he rounds out his game a little more. You would need him against a TCU, but if we are going small-ball with afterburners, he might be sitting.
Could you imagine Lard working 1v1 on the block and on the boards?
Imagine what an open lane would do for Wigginton, NWB, or Shayok streaking to the basket, with Lard lurking for the rebound or in the dunker's position?
Having a guy who can hit from any range *and* defend any post in the conference?
That is a nice piece for any coach to have.
I think he is too big and strong on defense to imagine not playing, but I could see him becoming match-up specific unless he rounds out his game a little more. You would need him against a TCU, but if we are going small-ball with afterburners, he might be sitting.
Don't be an asshat. Nobody said that.
You are really a terrible poster. Most posters can disagree without being a jerk. You should learn from them.
So if he gets to 35%, how many attempts do you anticipate/want him getting? I get that it goes beyond the makes, but I don't think an opponents defensive game plan for us is going to change much as long as he averages 1 or 2 attempts a game nor am I sure that it's better for us if he's lobbing up 4 or 5. He can do every bit as much good for us being great from the elbow or baseline/short corner as he can being average from 3. It still pulls a defender away from the basket and opens up passing and driving lanes. Now on the PNP, I'll grant you it would be great to have a 3 point threat from the wings to the top of the key. Don't get me wrong, I'm not rooting against the guy turning into a 40% three point shooter or saying it won't make us better if he is.
Again, my biggest problem with this whole argument is that we're setting the standards for Solo's playing time NEXT YEAR based on competition coming from a guy that we've never seen play in the B12 and when his natural progression as a ball player may take care of all this **** anyway. While I get that part of the fun of message boards is this type of discussion, it's also the kind of stuff that drives me nuts.
So you don't want the better player to get more minutes? All of this discussion is based on the fact that people within the program are really high on Jacobson, nobody is saying to start Jacobson just because he's an Iowa native.
What could cut into Young's minutes more than anything next year is the ability to play small ball next year. Babb, Wigginton, THT/Griffin/or Lewis, Shayok and Lard.
We haven't seen Jacobson in the big 12 but he's proven himself in the big10 just as much as Solomon has.
Could still be getting his conditioning back up to where it needs to be, too. That was a long layoff.
No, I'm just thinking things like someone who has some sort of idea how spacing works in basketball today, not in the mid 90s.
Also, a bad tactic for debate is embellishing what someone said. At no point did I say he had to shoot a bunch of threes and with a little reading comprehension and understanding of how things work, you'd understand. After all, it's how this team has functioned for the last 7 years.
Maybe I will. I just don't the hate for Solomon on here. We wouldn't have even made the tourney last year without him. He's developed into a serviceable Big 12 forward.
No all of a sudden he's benched because some guy from one of the biggest scrub programs in basketball is eligible next year?
I'm not hating on Jacobson, if he turns out to be better fine, that's a win for everyone. I'm just going to take a wait and see approach before I crown him.
I don't even consider Jacobsen his real threat right now. Sure, they're similar guys but I think if Prohm could look to sliding an improved Talley, THT, or Lewis into the lineup to give Babb, Wigginton, Shayok, and Lard space, that's going to be very attractive. All of those guys would benefit heavily by pulling bodies out of the lane. My entire point is that if he can shoot even close to those other guys, he offers more than those guys likely will next year, especially against bigger lineups.
The funny thing is that I absolutely agree with you that Sol does a lot more for the team than most are giving him credit for as evidenced by my previous rating of your initial posts on the subject. That doesn't change the fact that him becoming more of a threat from 3 would make him even more valuable by opening up the lane to everyone's benefit.
He is valuable now and He could be more valuable in the future are not mutually exclusive statements.
I think we finally agree on something, just took all afternoon to sort things out.
