BREAKING: Feazell commits

[Mtowncyclone13]

if you look at scout, niang, morris, and thomas were all listed as 4 stars but that's it. there were a lot of hoiberg recruits i totally forgot about.

i don't follow recruiting much but shouldn't we be happy the program has transitioned seamlessly, recruits are watching our program on the national stage, and hope we can mold some 3* into something great. when i was in school we were terrible. i'll take what is going on now all day every day. it is fun and we should recognize that. i actually prefer prohm to hoiberg for recruiting HSers. hoiberg ran a free-agent system and made pieces work. it's the NBA model and it worked for him. but as more and more schools started seeing that success we needed to realize it wouldn't work for ISU forever as the big boys started calling these same guys.

 

[srjclone]

if you look at scout, niang, morris, and thomas were all listed as 4 stars but that's it. there were a lot of hoiberg recruits i totally forgot about.

i don't follow recruiting much but shouldn't we be happy the program has transitioned seamlessly, recruits are watching our program on the national stage, and hope we can mold some 3* into something great. when i was in school we were terrible. i'll take what is going on now all day every day. it is fun and we should recognize that. i actually prefer prohm to hoiberg for recruiting HSers. hoiberg ran a free-agent system and made pieces work. it's the NBA model and it worked for him. but as more and more schools started seeing that success we needed to realize it wouldn't work for ISU forever as the big boys started calling these same guys.

Yes. Yes we should. It seems like every year people always want a little bit more. We should remember the McDermott days and be happy with what the program is doing currently, because if we pretend we are a blue blood, we are going to be let down. Now I am not saying that we can't compete with the blue bloods, but recruiting will ALWAYS be harder for us than it is for them, no matter our success. The recruits we have gotten are solid and we should only be happy and looking forward to the future, if you want to hate on Prohm for bringing in a guy that is just out of the top 150, then you should also be mad at Fred for bringing in Sherron Dorsey-Walker or Percy Gibson or Tavon Sledge or Nkereuwem Okoro or Clayton Custer. Fred may have seemed to be a "better recruiter" because he went out and landed solid transfers who actually contributed right away, HS recruiting is a different process once you get out of the McDonald's All-American range of recruits. It is about how you can mold those players and how you can fit them into your system and have them consistently getting better. Fred brought in Matt, Georges, and Monte, yes. But who says that these guys can't turn into one of the next "Georges"? Give it a chance, and don't base your entire thought on their ranking, and you will sleep a lot better at night.

 

[Cydkar]

I've been a member here since 2006 when the site started. You can look it up and confirm. You don't have to call people a troll just because you disagree.


I understand very well how recruiting works as I've followed it for the last 13 years

If you look up the players Fred brought in they were a lot of 4 stars compared to the 3 star players prohm is bringing in. I'm at work otherwise I'd list them out for you. Do your homework before you call people out.

I didn't call you a troll. It was one or the other. You clarified.

 

[NickTheGreat]

I think this is a good get. Welcome aboard!

 

[Cyke]

I've been a member here since 2006 when the site started. You can look it up and confirm. You don't have to call people a troll just because you disagree.


I understand very well how recruiting works as I've followed it for the last 13 years

If you look up the players Fred brought in they were a lot of 4 stars compared to the 3 star players prohm is bringing in. I'm at work otherwise I'd list them out for you. Do your homework before you call people out.

I'm sorry, but you're still wrong. I've been playing video games for far longer than 13 years; still doesn't mean I know how they work. Just because you've been a member for that long CLEARLY doesn't mean you understand recruiting.

 

[bringmagicback]

Ejim, Naz, Hamilton, and Johnson were not top 150 players coming out of high school.

ya thats what I meant, I meant higher than 150 according to 247. I guess in recruiting terms I didnt say it right

 

[Sigmapolis]

All Fred era high school recruits...

Ejim = worked out pretty nicely, though originally a TJ guy and took years of development to peak
McKnight = who?
Godfrey = transfer out after too much wacky weed
Railey = busted

0.5 / 4 (giving the half-credit for Melvin, but that really was more TJ and development)

Gibson = we thought he was really good when Royce was throwing him balls... after, not so much
Sledge = clearly not a Big 12 player, transferred out

0 / 2

Niang = 4* that worked out pretty well
Mitrou-Long = not a highly touted player, but excellent coaching and work on his part to develop
SDW = bust
Okoro = bust

1.5 / 4 (almost want to give you 1.5 for Georges, calling Naz more development than recruiting)

Thomas = busted while Fred was here, but TJ and Prohm seemed to get through to him, half-point
Morris = big hit

1.5 / 4 (same deal--Matt was a bust until Fred left town, ironically)

Custer = bust, transferred out quickly
You could throw The Greek in here, too, if you wanted to, but clearly a bust

0 / 1.5

So Fred brought in four good players out of high school...
(again, not counting Melvin as a holdover recruit from the previous staff)

Niang
Mitrou-Long
Thomas
Morris

Two of those made immediate impacts. Two had to develop, one under a different staff, to make an impact.

That's out of fifteen guys that Fred brought in out of high school, roughly.

Two lessons...

--this stuff is really hard to project and so much is hit-or-miss
--Fred wasn't some master of recruiting high schoolers, he batted a relatively low average

 

[Dingus]

Realistically it's too early to say Prohm is doing a great job recruiting or a bad job until any of them actually see meaningful minutes.

And in fairness to Fred's recruiting, two of his guys weren't just 4*s but pretty much guaranteed rafters (Niang) and arguably top 2 ISU pg of all time.

 

[wheels686]

I'm sorry, but you're still wrong. I've been playing video games for far longer than 13 years; still doesn't mean I know how they work. Just because you've been a member for that long CLEARLY doesn't mean you understand recruiting.

We're also not having an in person conversation where I can really explain that I do know recruiting very well.

4 stars that I can't honk of off the top of my head

Monte Morris
Georges niang
Matt Thomas
Anthony Booker
Korie lucious
DeonteBurton
Chris Allen

With Royce white as a 5* also

 

[srjclone]

We're also not having an in person conversation where I can really explain that I do know recruiting very well.

4 stars that I can't honk of off the top of my head

Monte Morris
Georges niang
Matt Thomas
Anthony Booker
Jodie lucious
DeonteBurton
Chris Allen

With Royce white as a 5* also

You just argued against your point, and that has nothing to do with you calling Korie Lucious "jodie", this whole thing has been about HS recruits. Obviously Fred did well with Transfers, we all agree on that.

 

[CyArob]

We're also not having an in person conversation where I can really explain that I do know recruiting very well.

4 stars that I can't honk of off the top of my head

Monte Morris
Georges niang
Matt Thomas
Anthony Booker - TRANSFER
KORIE lucious - TRANSFER
DeonteBurton - TRANSFER
Chris Allen - TRANSFER

With Royce white as a 5* also - TRANSFER

So, he got 3 4*'s out of high school in 5 years.

 

[isufbcurt]

We're also not having an in person conversation where I can really explain that I do know recruiting very well.

4 stars that I can't honk of off the top of my head

Monte Morris
Georges niang
Matt Thomas
Anthony Booker
Jodie lucious
DeonteBurton
Chris Allen

With Royce white as a 5* also

Is that Korie's sister?

And seriously you are counting transfers?

 

[wheels686]

You just argued against your point, and that has nothing to do with you calling Korie Lucious "jodie", this whole thing has been about HS recruits. Obviously Fred did well with Transfers, we all agree on that.

Haha you can thank the iPhone auto correct for that. It's not just about high school or transfers. It's about the level of talent being brought into the program

 

[srjclone]

Realistically it's too early to say Prohm is doing a great job recruiting or a bad job until any of them actually see meaningful minutes.

And in fairness to Fred's recruiting, two of his guys weren't just 4*s but pretty much guaranteed rafters (Niang) and arguably top 2 ISU pg of all time.

Agreed, for sure. But coming out of high school NOBODY in America or Ames, could have told you before their freshman year that they would be as good as they became. You could see it right away when they started playing as freshman, but not before. I remember saying to my dad the first game of Monte's ISU career that he was going to leave Iowa State as the best PG of all time, you could just tell he had that poise and skill to be an outstanding point guard. Especially with the players around him.

 

[jbindm]

We're also not having an in person conversation where I can really explain that I do know recruiting very well.

4 stars that I can't honk of off the top of my head

Monte Morris
Georges niang
Matt Thomas
Anthony Booker
Jodie lucious
DeonteBurton
Chris Allen

With Royce white as a 5* also

But if you're including transfers then it's really comparing apples to oranges. Hoiberg built his program one way, taking advantage of the transfer market before everyone else caught on. Now that market is oversaturated. Prohm is, for lack of a better term, playing the long game and building more traditionally. There may have been more four and five star guys from the Hoiberg era, but the majority of them were also quick fix transfers. The way Prohm is going about it potentially offers more stability. It's also worth pointing out that this is Prohm's first full recruiting cycle. He got a late start last year when Hoiberg didn't officially bolt for Chicago until early May or something like that.

 

[Cyke]

We're also not having an in person conversation where I can really explain that I do know recruiting very well.

4 stars that I can't honk of off the top of my head

Monte Morris
Georges niang
Matt Thomas
Anthony Booker
Korie lucious
DeonteBurton
Chris Allen

With Royce white as a 5* also

You just named 5 transfers???

 

[wheels686]

You just named 5 transfers???

It's not about whether they are high schoolers or transfers. It's about the level of talent brought into the program. When a player is on a team and contributing you could care less how they got to your school.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

It's not about whether they are high schoolers or transfers. It's about the level of talent brought into the program. When a player is on a team and contributing you could care less how they got to your school.

How much less could you care?

 

[Cyke]

It's not about whether they are high schoolers or transfers. It's about the level of talent brought into the program. When a player is on a team and contributing you could care less how they got to your school.

Recruiting has definitely gone down since prohm has taken over. I'm glad we got another committ, but we did go from landing lots of 4 stars and a few 3's to landing 3 stars as the majority. With 5 straight tournament appearances I was hoping we could land some top 100

Just going to leave both of these quotes here and stop arguing. End of the day, I think we're all happy we got Feazell...Except @wheels686

 

[jsb]

But if you're including transfers then it's really comparing apples to oranges. Hoiberg built his program one way, taking advantage of the transfer market before everyone else caught on. Now that market is oversaturated. Prohm is, for lack of a better term, playing the long game and building more traditionally. There may have been more four and five star guys from the Hoiberg era, but the majority of them were also quick fix transfers. The way Prohm is going about it potentially offers more stability. It's also worth pointing out that this is Prohm's first full recruiting cycle. He got a late start last year when Hoiberg didn't officially bolt for Chicago until early May or something like that.

Hoiberg didn't leave until June. Fred negated his job the last 2 years. That's why prohm has to fill 6 spots.