2016 Rio Summer Olympics

[Antihawk240]

Actually, the nationality of it has nothing to do with it, at least in my case. I also mentioned in my very first post on the topic that it was not an illegal move. And I'm not up in arms...more like, I'm disappointed in the dive.

However, for those of you who say "the point is to win...it doesn't matter how", my only thought is that you have a different view of competition than I do. Not better, not worse. Just...different.

I hear ya. My up in arms comment must more meant as if an American wasn't involved the larger population of Americans never would have known about it and I doubt we are discussing it today.

I really do believe she was very fortunate. Her leg gave out and buckled on her because the quad was exhausted and couldnt support her weight, and she fell, not dived. She was very fortunate it was at the end of the race, she was even more fortunate that her margin over Felix was still good enough to remain in the lead even as she fell over the finish line.

My point is, if her knee wouldn't have buckled she would have beat Felix by a larger margin than she did. I did not see it as she dived I saw it as her legs gave out from exhaustion and she fell across the finish line.

 

[Desiigner]

Yeah it makes you slower. That's why baseball players don't slide into 1st base

 

[Antihawk240]

Valid point. But the athlete is ultimately responsible for what goes into their body. If they are unsure, they should be checking to make sure that whatever they are taking is clean. To not do so is negligence, not ignorance.

I can only state my experience on the topic. I ran Track at Iowa State for 5 years. The first practice of each year it was drilled into us that anything from multivitamins to protein shakes to stool softners (joke was we called it headaches to hemorrhoids talk) we go the Trainer for. It is their job to know what is legal and what is illegal. Some name brands are made up of illegal ingredients, but other brands make it up of non illegal ingredients, it was their job to know that stuff, not ours. If we have a sinus infection we do not go to Target, we call the Trainer. We just took our last multivitamin, we dont use our roommates, we call our Trainer. So forgive me if I roll my eyes when I hear a PROFESSIONAL athlete say he didnt know what he was taking or he took it for ADHD. They are lying they have staff that monitor any and everything for anything and everything they have.

 

[isutrevman]

If you see a slow-mo replay it is obvious the dive/fall slowed her down. If she had stayed on her feet she would have won more easily.

Also, why would diving be any different than leaning at the finish line?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Actually, the nationality of it has nothing to do with it, at least in my case. I also mentioned in my very first post on the topic that it was not an illegal move. And I'm not up in arms...more like, I'm disappointed in the dive.

However, for those of you who say "the point is to win...it doesn't matter how", my only thought is that you have a different view of competition than I do. Not better, not worse. Just...different.

If you see a slow-mo replay it is obvious the dive/fall slowed her down. If she had stayed on her feet she would have won more easily.

Also, why would diving be any different than leaning at the finish line?

We are both expressing opinions. Disagree with my post all you like; your opinion is no more or less valid than mine.

 

[SCNCY]

I hear ya. My up in arms comment must more meant as if an American wasn't involved the larger population of Americans never would have known about it and I doubt we are discussing it today.

I agree that this is getting the talk because an America was involved. However, if an American wasn't involved, I would assume that the media coverage of this event would have been more along the lines of "Look at this runner taking everything she has and diving for the gold!" The medai would have ran with a good hearted story as opposed to the favorite (an America) taking second in the race when she should have been first.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

Someone explain this.

These stick figure line are the exact same height. One is angled from running and one is laying down form diving. The one laying down obviously has their chests further along than the one running. Why wouldn't this a strategic advantage?

edit - why the heck doesn't this new layout allow picture uploads?

 

[3TrueFans]

Someone explain this.

These stick figure line are the exact same height. One is angled from running and one is laying down form diving. The one laying down obviously has their chests further along than the one running. Why wouldn't this a strategic advantage?

First off, I'd like to believe that Michael Johnson would know a thing or 2 about track and he said pretty emphatically that diving isn't faster.

Second, you have to stop running to dive, so while you get an advantage by getting your torso further forward you're sacrificing speed by not running anymore.

And even if it were a strategic advantage, which I think is very questionable, why would it matter? It's a foot race to see who can cross the finish line first.

 

[isutrevman]

Someone explain this.

These stick figure line are the exact same height. One is angled from running and one is laying down form diving. The one laying down obviously has their chests further along than the one running. Why wouldn't this a strategic advantage?

edit - why the heck doesn't this new layout allow picture uploads?

Because her chest (the first thing that counts as crossing the finish line) still has to travel the same amount of distance forward. Your stick figure example would be as if she started the race with her chest closer to the finish line than the upright person.

In your example, the runner that fell basically went from the "running" line to the "laying" line over a finite period of time. That didn't happen instantaneously. Her chest (torso) still had to move forward to go from the "running" position to the "laying" position.

Also, she began to stumble in her last 2-3 strides and lost a lot of speed which is why people (Michael Johnson) say it is better to run through the finish than dive. If you watch a slow-mo replay, Felix gained a lot of ground on her in the last few feet because of her "dive".

 

[pulse]

Did you see another comically bad dive by a Russian diver? They are soooo bad that it reeks of betting. Literally taking a dive. It's laughable money is definitely changing hands.

 

[cmjh10]

If I was in that runners position and I had any Olympic medal on the line, I would do everything legal in my power to get that medal.

 

[boone7247]

I would really like the shot from the camera that comes down the track that they use for 100 and short hurdles. I haven't found it anywhere. But my guess is that Felix is further behind than it looks in most replays.

I think Miller's leg gave out, she stumbled and then dove for the finish, which was great awareness out of her, she did nothing wrong. I have two biases here. First America and Second I like my racers upright at the finish. I have always thought the hips should be determining factor in close races not the torso.

It is what it is, which was a great race. Really feel bad that the weather was so crappy and only a quarter of the stadium was full. That was really too bad because people would have seen three great finals, the M800, W400 and the M Pole Vault.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

Germany takes out the top ranked Brazil's women's beach volleyball team.

 

[enisthemenace]

Jenny Simpson with bronze in the 1500. First American to ever medal in the event. Good for her.

EDIT: From Webster City ICYDK

 

[andybernard]

Because her chest (the first thing that counts as crossing the finish line) still has to travel the same amount of distance forward. Your stick figure example would be as if she started the race with her chest closer to the finish line than the upright person.

Yup, and actually the chest of the one falling travels a greater overall distance to get the the finish line. Same distance forward, but take into account the distance to the ground (or wherever she was at when she crossed the finish line) as well.

 

[Doc]

That hurdler who missed clearing the first hurdle by about a foot would have been really funny if I didn't feel a bit sorry for him.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

That hurdler who missed clearing the first hurdle by about a foot would have been really funny if I didn't feel a bit sorry for him.

I felt bad for the kid from France (I think) who had a false start in his heat. All that work, and he doesn't even get to run his race. No second chances in the Olympics.

 

[CyArob]

That hurdler who missed clearing the first hurdle by about a foot would have been really funny if I didn't feel a bit sorry for him.

He just jumped straight through the hurdle. Wasn't even close.

 

[BBHMagic]

For that 110 hurdle race did anyone else think that whole thing was a bought and paid for Oregon Ducks commercial? Also they almost went out of their way to ignore the other American and he would have won silver if he didn't fall down.

 

[CyArob]

For that 110 hurdle race did anyone else think that whole thing was a bought and paid for Oregon Ducks commercial? Also they almost went out of their way to ignore the other American and he would have won silver if he didn't fall down.

I did find it weird they didn't even recognize Ash.