There is absolutely no way WVU goes to the B1G. Not many TVs and academics are not elite. I think SEC would be most likely and that isn't likely either
***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***
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Well you know West Virginia is campaigning hard for a neighbor, so I feel like we're most likely headed for "The Big 14." If Memphis is in, then UConn & Colorado State are the first out. Obviously concerned more with football competition than academics. Makes sense.
FYI - Texas doesn't carry the Houston market. It's more aTm there. So adding Houston potentially brings some of those SEC eyeballs back.
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...ds-its-own-with-SEC-in-Houston-TV-8402132.php
That is a fallacy that Houston has promoted to push their membership into the Big 12. Although aTm probably does better than Texas become of proximity. The information isn't available because ESPN doesn't release ratings for SEC Network.
Here is excerpt from a recent Houston Chronicle article. Their analysis was based on 83 games in Houston market that drew a 2.0 Nielsen rating. Ratings are significantly higher for Network games (ABC/CBS) and window (6pm highest).
Here are the leaders, including both cable and over-the-air games: Alabama 10, Texas 9, LSU 8, Notre Dame 8, Baylor 7, Houston 7, Oklahoma 7, TCU 6, Oklahoma State 5, Mississippi 5, Auburn 4, Michigan 4, Michigan State 4, Ohio State 4, Texas A&M 4, Texas Tech 4, USC 4.
That gives us six Big 12 schools, five SEC schools, three from the Big Ten and one each from the American (UH), Pac-12 and independent Notre Dame.
Just goes to show that people can spin numbers to meet their message
That is a fallacy that Houston has promoted to push their membership into the Big 12. Although aTm probably does better than Texas become of proximity. The information isn't available because ESPN doesn't release ratings for SEC Network.
Here is excerpt from a recent Houston Chronicle article. Their analysis was based on 83 games in Houston market that drew a 2.0 Nielsen rating. Ratings are significantly higher for Network games (ABC/CBS) and window (6pm highest).
Here are the leaders, including both cable and over-the-air games: Alabama 10, Texas 9, LSU 8, Notre Dame 8, Baylor 7, Houston 7, Oklahoma 7, TCU 6, Oklahoma State 5, Mississippi 5, Auburn 4, Michigan 4, Michigan State 4, Ohio State 4, Texas A&M 4, Texas Tech 4, USC 4.
That gives us six Big 12 schools, five SEC schools, three from the Big Ten and one each from the American (UH), Pac-12 and independent Notre Dame.
Just goes to show that people can spin numbers to meet their message
Gloom and doom article before hitting the sack: http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12-expansion-also-impacts-big-ten-and-sec-080316. SIAP.
I assume most us who posted Pac-12 poaching & merger scenarios in past day or so are aware likelihood of that is low (at least currently). I think discussion stemmed from "if some schools from Pac-12 actually would consider jumping, how would it change expansion plans?
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...-big-12-bid-espn-fox-thrilled-expansion-talks
Chuck Carlton of Dallas Morning News says no expansion candidate yet has the eight votes necessary for approval. Also that UT and OU have no interest in expanding GoR
Chuck Carlton of Dallas Morning News says no expansion candidate yet has the eight votes necessary for approval. Also that UT and OU have no interest in expanding GoR
One aspect of that update, re: football-only membership ... I see references to BYU as football-only, but even more statements that neither BYU nor Big 12 want that. I hope the one-sport speculation falls by the wayside.
Then I hope Leath holds to that no vote. No expansion without GoR extension.
Awesome, I think we found another ghost writer for Pat Forde. All of these articles are written like kids laying with their head in their hands, kicking their feet in the wind, fawning over dream scenarios to match their ideal world.
If Texas and OU don't want to extend GOR then there won't be expansion. Period. They won't get the votes.
I agree with you on 90% of writers who simply have no clue..But Chuck has been following Big 12 football and Texas for 30 years+..Guy has more sources for this conference than all the others combined...So when he speaks or writes it's prob on the money or close to.
I have no doubt Tx and OU don't want to expand their GOR..I realize it is by far what is most important for ISU however extending the GOR to say 2030 locks those teams in and the landscape 8 years from now could be completely different. Heck Netflix and Amazon could be real players in live sports very soon..Amazon is already in contracts with teh AAC for 2020 to carry games live...
I do think the big 12 will expand because I think the only schools that feel worried about being left out of a P5 in the future is ISU and KSU and at end of the day WV and TT will feel the pressure from OU and TX and see the $$ and vote yes... And it's going to be done prior to season starting.
I was doing my last leisurely time wasting before work and decided to jump on the r*vals site to see how they had us ranked in the Big 12 for recruiting for 2017 class. Looks like Rivals knows something the rest of us don't!!! They had the Big 12 listed as:
All of the existing schools plus Missouri, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Nebraska!!! https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/big12
Or else I missed some really big news in the last couple of days!!! How awesome (and unlikely) would that conference be!!! I guess someone at Rivals must be a B12 fan.
All of the existing schools plus Missouri, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Nebraska!!! https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/big12
Or else I missed some really big news in the last couple of days!!! How awesome (and unlikely) would that conference be!!! I guess someone at Rivals must be a B12 fan.
Correct, I believe I heard the ten the highest rated games in the Houston TV market last year 7 out of 10 were SEC matchups with only the Red River Shootout cracking the top 10 for the Big 12. Granted UT was/is down but you still would think there would be a lot of eyes on Baylor TCU, OU and TT based on geography but wasn't the case.
Baylor's only possibly landing spot is a lone ACC spot (and that isn't a sure thing, TCU might be going after that same spot and would probably get the nod before them) and Kansas isn't a sure thing to the Big Ten. They have slightly better chances than ISU and KSU but they are hardly locks and would probably much prefer to see the Big XII be locked down for an extra decade than take their chances.
Just don't see Memphis making the cut of the 4 possible teams.
And nothing will happen without an extension of the GOR. IMO, Texas and OU will agree to extend the GOR for a few years. IMO, the networks will insist on BYU as one of the teams. Plus BYU does not have to deal with a conference concerning their football rights. B12 has said that location is less of a factor than one thinks. So pencil in BYU.
Second team is likely to be Cinci. Travel partner with WVU. Decent programs with decent academics. Puts a team in the B12 that is located between B10 and SEC territory.
B12 probably only adds the two teams. Networks do not want to dilute things too much. Only adding those two teams does not really change things a lot.
Divisions could be a little tricky. Oklahoma and Texas want to play each other every year. And that is the heavyweight matchup the networks want. So you must have a guaranteed rivalry game with Texas for OU or put them in the same division.
The B10 was faced with this dilemma and has a weak division and a stronger division. It actually has seemed to help them because the weak division ends up inflating the reccords of those traditionally weak teams. SEC has the same issue. One weak division and one strong division. So let's assume the B12 takes the same path.
That would mean BYU and Cinci would join existing schools WVU, Iowa State and the 2 Kansas schools in one division. If you want to even out the divisions for strength, then flip the Kansas schools with the Oklahoma schools and guarantee a rivalry game between Oklahoma and Texas every year. That would probably be better for competition.
Just don't see B12 taking more than 2 schools. And I see Texas pushing Houston as more of a CYA type of sticking up for a Texas school. It is possible that Houston could be added instead of Cinci. But that leaves WVU as an outlier, with no travel partner.
And nothing will happen without an extension of the GOR. IMO, Texas and OU will agree to extend the GOR for a few years. IMO, the networks will insist on BYU as one of the teams. Plus BYU does not have to deal with a conference concerning their football rights. B12 has said that location is less of a factor than one thinks. So pencil in BYU.
Second team is likely to be Cinci. Travel partner with WVU. Decent programs with decent academics. Puts a team in the B12 that is located between B10 and SEC territory.
B12 probably only adds the two teams. Networks do not want to dilute things too much. Only adding those two teams does not really change things a lot.
Divisions could be a little tricky. Oklahoma and Texas want to play each other every year. And that is the heavyweight matchup the networks want. So you must have a guaranteed rivalry game with Texas for OU or put them in the same division.
The B10 was faced with this dilemma and has a weak division and a stronger division. It actually has seemed to help them because the weak division ends up inflating the reccords of those traditionally weak teams. SEC has the same issue. One weak division and one strong division. So let's assume the B12 takes the same path.
That would mean BYU and Cinci would join existing schools WVU, Iowa State and the 2 Kansas schools in one division. If you want to even out the divisions for strength, then flip the Kansas schools with the Oklahoma schools and guarantee a rivalry game between Oklahoma and Texas every year. That would probably be better for competition.
Just don't see B12 taking more than 2 schools. And I see Texas pushing Houston as more of a CYA type of sticking up for a Texas school. It is possible that Houston could be added instead of Cinci. But that leaves WVU as an outlier, with no travel partner.
