Hey Chris Williams.....previous commits?

[Stormin]

Johnson was a grey shirt so he already lost one year off the clock before he got here. If he transfers, that leaves him only 2 years left without playing a single snap of college football.

You do not lose a year of eligibility with a Gray Shirt. You are not enrolled full time so the clock does not start. IF Mike Johnson transferred at this point he would sit out another year. And then have 3 years of eligibility remaining.

Mike Johnson will be classified as a RS Freshman this fall. 4 years eligibility remaining.

 

[isufbcurt]

The sooner Campbell hires a DC, then I would guess the more likely he can convince those guys to stay. If we don't have a DC for another month, then I can understand how those guys could get antsy about who they're playing for.

I don't think the DC is such a big deal. I think the bigger deal is making sure most position coaches are here so the players can meet their position coach and get to know him.

 

[bawbie]

I realize that. I also realize that you have Peavy, Ruth, Harvey, Mills, and a bunch of RS freshmen that will play next year and we can't afford to lose them. That's not to mention OL (which I think will be given the best reasons to stay. I mean, even if you just lost Thomas, for instance, that's a big hit. Wesley would be a big hit. Epps would be a big hit. Then you have a guy like Seth Nerness who will have to play in 17, if not 16. I don't think there will be some mass exodus but the idea of losing 5 guys from the two-deep is not comforting and will affect the bottom line.

Why not? It was a 3-9 team. What's the worst that happens - we go 3-9 again as Coach Campbell installs his system?

If they leave, they will be replaced with (hopefully) upgraded talent from the new coaching staff. The only ones I consider crucial are Lazard and Warren, and even them staying isn't as important as the new staff installing their culture and getting complete buy-in from the team.

 

[Stormin]

I realize that. I also realize that you have Peavy, Ruth, Harvey, Mills, and a bunch of RS freshmen that will play next year and we can't afford to lose them. That's not to mention OL (which I think will be given the best reasons to stay. I mean, even if you just lost Thomas, for instance, that's a big hit. Wesley would be a big hit. Epps would be a big hit. Then you have a guy like Seth Nerness who will have to play in 17, if not 16. I don't think there will be some mass exodus but the idea of losing 5 guys from the two-deep is not comforting and will affect the bottom line.

How many guys transferred when DMac was replaced??? I would expect about the same. Maybe less. I remember people fretting over Arnaud leaving.

 

[WastedTalent]

It's not about CPR being their coach if they go elsewhere. It is about trusting and being comfortable with the coach. The thing that brought a lot of guys here over other schools was they trusted and felt more comfortable with CPR and or their position coach, now that those people are gone from their lives they probably feel they need to find that at other school.

I am not saying I want people to transfer because I don't. But I understand where they are coming from. I don't really think people understand how close these players were with CPR and his staff.

Most of these guys have already been thru a transition with their position coaches, and stayed on. You and other players have said before that players are closer with their position players than the head coach.

 

[MeowingCows]

I realize that. I also realize that you have Peavy, Ruth, Harvey, Mills, and a bunch of RS freshmen that will play next year and we can't afford to lose them. That's not to mention OL (which I think will be given the best reasons to stay. I mean, even if you just lost Thomas, for instance, that's a big hit. Wesley would be a big hit. Epps would be a big hit. Then you have a guy like Seth Nerness who will have to play in 17, if not 16. I don't think there will be some mass exodus but the idea of losing 5 guys from the two-deep is not comforting and will affect the bottom line.

We're a 3-peat, 3-win team. Anyone and everyone is replaceable.

 

[IlliniCy]

The new staff has taken the first important step in keeping the team intact: Win over the leaders. Lazard, Peters, Lanning, Warren, etc. (Most) Other players will follow their lead.

 

[JP4CY]

I'll just say this, I'll be shocked if any starters from a Big 12 program decide to transfer. They can be upset and talk like they might, but chances are slim that they actually do. Most don't even have a redshirt to burn.

Baker Mayfield lost a Big 12 eligible year when he transferred. His walk on status at both schools made him go to court to try and regain it but was denied.
I thought he was good in '13 but didn't see him as a Heisman caliber player in his next "playing" year, and he's gone on to do that.
I get where you are coming from Adam, but I still think cases like this will happen.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Why not? It was a 3-9 team. What's the worst that happens - we go 3-9 again as Coach Campbell installs his system?

If they leave, they will be replaced with (hopefully) upgraded talent from the new coaching staff. The only ones I consider crucial are Lazard and Warren, and even them staying isn't as important as the new staff installing their culture and getting complete buy-in from the team.

We aren't upgrading Moya in 2 years and you probably aren't replacing guys like Northrup, Harvey and Mills going into 2017. Talent wasn't an issue this year. That team should have won at least 4 more games based on just talent. Next year, they should be even better with all of the same guys.

Losing guys is the cost of a transition and I think everyone understands that but to just push it aside as something that won't matter is wrong. It will matter. Maybe that's not next year but at some point it will hit.

 

[Stormin]

We aren't upgrading Moya in 2 years and you probably aren't replacing guys like Northrup, Harvey and Mills going into 2017. Talent wasn't an issue this year. That team should have won at least 4 more games based on just talent. Next year, they should be even better with all of the same guys.

Losing guys is the cost of a transition and I think everyone understands that but to just push it aside as something that won't matter is wrong. It will matter. Maybe that's not next year but at some point it will hit.

If they wish to transfer then so be it. Their loyalty was to CPR and not to ISU. The thing I think that they fail to understand is that CPR still loves ISU and ISU still loves CPR. But CPR failed to get wins on the football field so he had to be fired.

Transferring out because they are angry at CPR being fired is a sign of immaturity IMO. It is a knee jerk reaction to something which was done, but not out of spite. Iowa State paid CPR $4.5 million in severance pay. CPR was publicly acknowledged at the press conference announcing the new coach for his service and job he had done for Iowa State the last 7 years.

To be perfectly honest, I think CPR would be greatly disappointed in these young people for not staying at Iowa State and giving the new coaching staff a chance. And for not being a "loyal son forever true".

 

[bozclone]

Coach Campbell appears to be a very good hire. I like everything I have seen so far. I was however one of the guys wanting to give CPR another year just based on the young talent and young leaders we have in the program. Prior to the K St game, I thought we were really close to having a very good team and keeping CPR gave us the best chance to win games in the short term. This was based on the fact we might lose players with a coaching change. Now that we have a new coach, it is very possible that we will take a step back before we can make real progress. The first real test for Coach Campbell and his staff is to see if he can re-recruit the guys we already have in the program. The more guys that stay, the better we will be in the short term. Being better in the short term will make recruiting easier. Look at the hole Kansas is in right now. We can not let our talent level fall to their level.

 

[Cyclad]

I'll just say this, I'll be shocked if any starters from a Big 12 program decide to transfer. They can be upset and talk like they might, but chances are slim that they actually do. Most don't even have a redshirt to burn.

Hey Adam.................I agree with most of your comments. However, as the original poster, I ws wondering about the CPR commits.........................what is happening with them? The Dec Juco signing period is coming up soon. Are we trying to retain those kids, or starting over?

 

[AdamJGray]

Baker Mayfield lost a Big 12 eligible year when he transferred. His walk on status at both schools made him go to court to try and regain it but was denied.
I thought he was good in '13 but didn't see him as a Heisman caliber player in his next "playing" year, and he's gone on to do that.
I get where you are coming from Adam, but I still think cases like this will happen.

I'd classify Mayfield under the exception to the rule for obvious reasons (Kingsbury not putting him on scholarship in spring, not making him starter when he was healthy again, etc)

But the real reason he lost a year is because he transferred within the conference. By Big 12 rules you automatically lose a year when you do that. If he transferred to any other conference he wouldn't have lost a year.

 

[AdamJGray]

Hey Adam.................I agree with most of your comments. However, as the original poster, I ws wondering about the CPR commits.........................what is happening with them? The Dec Juco signing period is coming up soon. Are we trying to retain those kids, or starting over?

That's a good question and one I'm sure we will find out in the coming days. I would imagine this staff is reviewing tape of all the commits, and if they like the kids, they will push hard to keep them committed. If they don't think they are a good fit, they won't try as hard and you'll likely see the kids leave.

 

[AdamJGray]

Hey Adam.................I agree with most of your comments. However, as the original poster, I ws wondering about the CPR commits.........................what is happening with them? The Dec Juco signing period is coming up soon. Are we trying to retain those kids, or starting over?

Good news is that Ayeni and Moore are still on staff and they are very familiar with our commits. They can probably point out which ones are the ones most important to keep.

 

[bawbie]

We aren't upgrading Moya in 2 years and you probably aren't replacing guys like Northrup, Harvey and Mills going into 2017. Talent wasn't an issue this year. That team should have won at least 4 more games based on just talent. Next year, they should be even better with all of the same guys.

Losing guys is the cost of a transition and I think everyone understands that but to just push it aside as something that won't matter is wrong. It will matter. Maybe that's not next year but at some point it will hit.

And...? You make it sound like we shouldn't have fired Rhoads or shouldn't have hired Campbell because we might lose some players. That's what "can't afford to" means.

If it's the price we pay for having a new culture and a chance at a winning football team - then so be it, we actually can afford it.

 

[DhaCheann]

Someone give me one good reason Cotton Moya would transfer. He's a starter on a Big 12 team, and he's used up his redshirt. If he transfers he would only have 1 year of college football left to play.

His cousin, I think, either plays for or is going to SJSU. Thats where i've heard he wants to transfer to

 

[Jer]

I'll just say this, I'll be shocked if any starters from a Big 12 program decide to transfer. They can be upset and talk like they might, but chances are slim that they actually do. Most don't even have a redshirt to burn.

I would fully agree. I said many were considering it - but I would certainly hope, and have said for many days now, that very few would actually make the ultimate decision to leave. There are some that as of right now are set on leaving, I know that first-hand, and some won't make sense to us as to why, but there will be at least a couple that make that final decision and stick with it. Again, I'm not worried as the number is small and the impact debateable.

I did not intend to release one name earlier in the thread, that was a post intended for a different audience. As anybody on here would know, I never release names, much to the chagrin of many.

 

[ripvdub]

His cousin, I think, either plays for or is going to SJSU. Thats where i've heard he wants to transfer to

We play them, block the transfer.

 

[heitclone]

Baker Mayfield lost a Big 12 eligible year when he transferred. His walk on status at both schools made him go to court to try and regain it but was denied.
I thought he was good in '13 but didn't see him as a Heisman caliber player in his next "playing" year, and he's gone on to do that.
I get where you are coming from Adam, but I still think cases like this will happen.

Mayfield left bc he was benched and then recruited over, his decision was 100% related to playing time. Not sure how it's relevant any of our guys.