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You don't honestly believe what you write do you. Your the one showing emotion and saying things like you are winning. I'm not trying to win I'm trying to help you. I'm not mad. I pity you. Not sure of your age but I'm guessing your far too old to be acting the way you are. Good luck.
It's "you're". Also, question marks are an acceptable punctuation mark to use when asking a question. The last thing to note is that using simple sentences for everything makes you sound like a robot.
 
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You don't honestly believe what you write do you. Your the one showing emotion and saying things like you are winning. I'm not trying to win I'm trying to help you. I'm not mad. I pity you. Not sure of your age but I'm guessing your far too old to be acting the way you are. Good luck.

I will just give a pat courtesy smile at this point, as there is no sport in this. You keep doing you, okay?
 
So they call her parents and they come in to "deal with her."

What do you suppose they do to fix this situation? I'm sure she'll listen this time.
 
why, so you remove all witnesses?

I think there are other ways to handle that situation. If that student wants to behave that way, then just allow her to until the day is over and then suspend her for a few days and notify her parent(s). If it continues, she can look elsewhere for her education.

While it may seem that simple to just suspend the kid the goal of most urban schools now is to keep students in school. Suspension has become a last resort. If urban schools suspended every kid that mouthed off and was disrespectful or refused to do something you would be missing a big chunk of your student body. Schools are going to keep people in school because if they are not in school they are not learning, or could be out on the streets doing worse things than being disrespectful to a teacher/school employees. So, while it is easy to just say suspend the kid, that is not realistic.
 
While it may seem that simple to just suspend the kid the goal of most urban schools now is to keep students in school. Suspension has become a last resort. If urban schools suspended every kid that mouthed off and was disrespectful or refused to do something you would be missing a big chunk of your student body. Schools are going to keep people in school because if they are not in school they are not learning, or could be out on the streets doing worse things than being disrespectful to a teacher/school employees. So, while it is easy to just say suspend the kid, that is not realistic.
Also, there is a huge discrepancy of suspension rates/lengths between white and minority students that urban districts are trying to keep in check as well since those things have to get reported to the state/federal education boards. Essentially the school to prison pipeline and all of that. And most of the time the student merely wants to get out of the class (or classes) for a few days using the behavior as a learned avoidance technique, and the worse punishment is making them be in class.

And before anyone latches onto that idea for a point of complaining, it compares rates/lengths for the same infractions and compares punishments. So if students A & B both say "**** you, teach" to a teacher, it historically shows that the punishment for the minority student is more severe than the white student (eg: an hour detention punishment vs 1 day in school suspension).
 
I will just give a pat courtesy smile at this point, as there is no sport in this. You keep doing you, okay?[/QUOTE

Smh. There is that winning thing again. Thats very important to you. I agreed with a lot of what you were saying. Just think that some kids need consequences. Even students at the school are protesting for the officer. I'm tired of people like you that don't want to fix problems you just complain and try to be right. You think you are so clever but I could write your next post for you. Its the same regurgitated crxp. At least the students showed some compassion for the officer. We know you wouldn't.
 
Also, there is a huge discrepancy of suspension rates/lengths between white and minority students that urban districts are trying to keep in check as well since those things have to get reported to the state/federal education boards. Essentially the school to prison pipeline and all of that. And most of the time the student merely wants to get out of the class (or classes) for a few days using the behavior as a learned avoidance technique, and the worse punishment is making them be in class.

And before anyone latches onto that idea for a point of complaining, it compares rates/lengths for the same infractions and compares punishments. So if students A & B both say "**** you, teach" to a teacher, it historically shows that the punishment for the minority student is more severe than the white student (eg: an hour detention punishment vs 1 day in school suspension).


I was just at a PBIS conference that talked about the equity (of punishment) and you are right. I would also add that you are right about students wanting to be out of class. Most students who do these things don't want to be there so by removing them you are giving them what they want. But where is the line between keeping them in class and letting them be a disruption and removing them because they hurting other students ability to learn and the teacher being able to teach.... very subjective and different for each teacher.
 
I was just at a PBIS conference that talked about the equity (of punishment) and you are right. I would also add that you are right about students wanting to be out of class. Most students who do these things don't want to be there so by removing them you are giving them what they want. But where is the line between keeping them in class and letting them be a disruption and removing them because they hurting other students ability to learn and the teacher being able to teach.... very subjective and different for each teacher.
You're right, and I haven't actually looked into this story much other than knowing the student refused to leave (been busy). However, if the student was not saying anything unless being talked to by authority figures, pressing the issue creates more of a distraction than ignoring it and moving on.
 
Smh. There is that winning thing again. Thats very important to you. I agreed with a lot of what you were saying. Just think that some kids need consequences. Even students at the school are protesting for the officer. I'm tired of people like you that don't want to fix problems you just complain and try to be right. You think you are so clever but I could write your next post for you. Its the same regurgitated crxp. At least the students showed some compassion for the officer. We know you wouldn't.

if this were about "winning," I would have stopped after my first post, to which you responded all emotionally. I keep having this hope that maybe you will see what I am talking about.

First off, you have agreed with literally none of what I have said, at least not that you have written. You have attempted to make sweeping statements about who I am and what I think, but shown you actually have no clue at all. You also have never taken the stance that I am overall correct, but just not in some instances. You have bemoaned the state of "kids today," and how they are all wusses and delinquents because we can't beat the crap out of them anymore. I am not clever, I am just trying to show you that you are focusing all of your responses based off of your limited personal experience as a corrections officer (a capacity in which you aren't exactly going to be dealing with a cross section representative of today's youth) and some misguided notions that the world is going to hell in a hand basket.

Did if you know that Iowa started trick or treating on Beggar's Night rather than Halloween because the Des Moines area alone was getting 550+ reports of vandalism every Halloween, and Beggar's Night was a way to curb those delinquents? Guess when that was put into effect. The 1940s. So, teen vandalism and rule breaking is a problem that has always existed, but we see these pretty pictures of Norman Rockwell and think that the world is changing. It isn't. Technology and the methods of rebellion are, but not rebellion itself. You are saying that the youth are getting worse and worse and that chokeholds are the panacea to this, but history just doesn't back you up.

Do I have compassion for the cop? I feel badly for him that he was in a job, flying solo, with neither the tools not the temperament for it. I feel bad for him that nobody recognized earlier that he did not have the tools to deal with rebellious children, that nobody saw someone with a history of physical aggression when faced with disobedience may be a bad fit for dealing with troubled, hormonal, rebellious teens. I feel bad for him that his own poor decision making and temper will affect the rest of his life because of the situation in which he was put.

No, I don't think you probably could have written that post for me, because I am fairly sure "panacea" is not in your lexicon.

Do I get to play the game where I say what I think about you? I think you had a very traditional upbringing, probably very strict. I would not be surprised if you had a brief rebellious period. I think that you like to feel like an authority, but either don't communicate as well as you would like, or maybe this is your best - but this desire for authority is why you chose the careers you did. I think you likely were disappointed to find that the inmates don't respond all that well, and resent others for not giving you your "due" - which is why you dislike me, since I am not immediately kissing your *** and taking your word as gospel because you have "lived it." You see me as soft, are certain I have never lived any hardship, correct? Certainly nothing that could make me as world-wizened as you. If that makes you comfortable, if that helps you keep your world ordered, continue thinking it. If you want to think that I hate authority or am just looking to "win" an argument with you, have at it. I can see that it is most comfortable for you to put people and things in boxes with nice labels. I would never want to disrupt that.
 
if this were about "winning," I would have stopped after my first post, to which you responded all emotionally. I keep having this hope that maybe you will see what I am talking about.

First off, you have agreed with literally none of what I have said, at least not that you have written. You have attempted to make sweeping statements about who I am and what I think, but shown you actually have no clue at all. You also have never taken the stance that I am overall correct, but just not in some instances. You have bemoaned the state of "kids today," and how they are all wusses and delinquents because we can't beat the crap out of them anymore. I am not clever, I am just trying to show you that you are focusing all of your responses based off of your limited personal experience as a corrections officer (a capacity in which you aren't exactly going to be dealing with a cross section representative of today's youth) and some misguided notions that the world is going to hell in a hand basket.

Did if you know that Iowa started trick or treating on Beggar's Night rather than Halloween because the Des Moines area alone was getting 550+ reports of vandalism every Halloween, and Beggar's Night was a way to curb those delinquents? Guess when that was put into effect. The 1940s. So, teen vandalism and rule breaking is a problem that has always existed, but we see these pretty pictures of Norman Rockwell and think that the world is changing. It isn't. Technology and the methods of rebellion are, but not rebellion itself. You are saying that the youth are getting worse and worse and that chokeholds are the panacea to this, but history just doesn't back you up.

Do I have compassion for the cop? I feel badly for him that he was in a job, flying solo, with neither the tools not the temperament for it. I feel bad for him that nobody recognized earlier that he did not have the tools to deal with rebellious children, that nobody saw someone with a history of physical aggression when faced with disobedience may be a bad fit for dealing with troubled, hormonal, rebellious teens. I feel bad for him that his own poor decision making and temper will affect the rest of his life because of the situation in which he was put.

No, I don't think you probably could have written that post for me, because I am fairly sure "panacea" is not in your lexicon.

Do I get to play the game where I say what I think about you? I think you had a very traditional upbringing, probably very strict. I would not be surprised if you had a brief rebellious period. I think that you like to feel like an authority, but either don't communicate as well as you would like, or maybe this is your best - but this desire for authority is why you chose the careers you did. I think you likely were disappointed to find that the inmates don't respond all that well, and resent others for not giving you your "due" - which is why you dislike me, since I am not immediately kissing your *** and taking your word as gospel because you have "lived it." You see me as soft, are certain I have never lived any hardship, correct? Certainly nothing that could make me as world-wizened as you. If that makes you comfortable, if that helps you keep your world ordered, continue thinking it. If you want to think that I hate authority or am just looking to "win" an argument with you, have at it. I can see that it is most comfortable for you to put people and things in boxes with nice labels. I would never want to disrupt that.

Lol. Are you ok. I didn't read all that nonsense but the little i did was like i predicted. Same ole from you. Calm down its a message board.
 
Lol. Are you ok. I didn't read all that nonsense but the little i did was like i predicted. Same ole from you. Calm down its a message board.
When outclassed, take your ball and go home.
 


Sorry, on phone - I read 15 month old while juggling a small 14-month-old. Was it actually a 15-year-old? I have the link saved to read thoroughly on my laptop later.