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Hiring TJ would be a return of the Wayne Morgan Syndrome. Hiring a new head coach because he happens to be the best person already employed by you when the opening occurs, rather than doing a nationwide search for the best candidate.
 
CyCy said:
Hiring TJ would be a return of the Wayne Morgan Syndrome. Hiring a new head coach because he happens to be the best person already employed by you when the opening occurs, rather than doing a nationwide search for the best candidate.
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Agree. Would be the equivalent of Rhoads hiring Mess as OC basically because it was the easy thing to do.

I agree though, if Fred leaves, it will be TJ. I would be SHOCKED if it wasn't at this point. All signs point to it. JP and TJ are REALLY good friends. TJ calls off all his interviews for head coaching jobs and immediately decides to come back to ISU as an assistant again? Really? Why would you do that unless you've been basically guaranteed you will be the next in line to be head coach when Fred decides to leave?

I just don't think JP figured it would be this soon probably.
 
im4cyclones said:
Look, I love Hoiberg (seriously, i have a man-crush on him) but let's keep some perspective. One Sweet 16 in five years ain't exactly John Wooden. Yes, he has raised us up to some great things but, when it counts, he has a Sweet 16.

Stop being so damn dramatic.
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4 straight ncaas=never done
back to back tournament titles = never done
pretty much altered the team building landscaping of cbn

lets not downplay what Fred has done here. Those are major accomplishments at ISU.
 
CyCy said:
Hiring TJ would be a return of the Wayne Morgan Syndrome. Hiring a new head coach because he happens to be the best person already employed by you when the opening occurs, rather than doing a nationwide search for the best candidate.
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If Fred did go now, considering time of year, keeping otz for consistency may make sense. But make it one year interim first. Same approach they should have taken with Morgan. Gives coach a season to show glimpse of capability and a year to assess other potential options.

Downside to that plan is most likely recruiting, and obviously it's better if you can land exactly who is best immediately.
 
cyclones500 said:
If Fred did go now, considering time of year, keeping otz for consistency may make sense. But make it one year interim first. Same approach they should have taken with Morgan. Gives coach a season to show glimpse of capability and a year to assess other potential options.

Downside to that plan is most likely recruiting, and obviously it's better if you can land exactly who is best immediately.
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This would be a disaster. First, we need a coach that can get players for next year (that's why Fred will be doing us the huge favor that he is by leaving now. What a great deal!). Second, if TJ is so bad that he can't win with next year's team, he would be a huge disaster.

If it is TJ, and I feel it will be, you have to give him a reasonable contract and salary and hope for the best.
 
fairviewfarmer said:
Cytime, for your sake, I hope its TJ, just because he's a friend of mine.....hahahahahahaha
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I'm sure you are.

If he sucks, I'm guessing that you'll be yelling for him to be fired long before I do though.
 
fairviewfarmer said:
doubtful
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It's very dangerous to support a coach just because you are friends.

Just think if you were friends with Rhoads you might still want him to be coach!

TJ might be very successful. We know he is a good recruiter (although he did his best recruiting under McDermott). He seems to be a nice person. But he has been on very few staffs that were successful. For such a great recruiter, he sure seemed to pick some duds to work for. And the one successful coach he worked for, he left after 3 years.

He'll be given a gift that very few are given. But he'll be under pressure to win right away. If he blows it next year, it will be darn near impossible for him to gain traction.

But it won't really matter because in 5 years he'll be gone anyway. Then we can go find our next crappy coach.
 
jsb said:
It's very dangerous to support a coach just because you are friends.

Just think if you were friends with Rhoads you might still want him to be coach!

TJ might be very successful. We know he is a good recruiter (although he did his best recruiting under McDermott). He seems to be a nice person. But he has been on very few staffs that were successful. For such a great recruiter, he sure seemed to pick some duds to work for. And the one successful coach he worked for, he left after 3 years.

He'll be given a gift that very few are given. But he'll be under pressure to win right away. If he blows it next year, it will be darn near impossible for him to gain traction.

But it won't really matter because in 5 years he'll be gone anyway. Then we can go find our next crappy coach.
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all this hyperbole from you is a waste of air and energy. Fred isn't leaving.
 
Larry got screwed at ISU by AD at time, don't condone his behavior but he had a problem and we should've given him opportunity to get over it (sure few threads over this one), but a proven winner IMO. Really doesn't matter as CFH will be the ISU MBB coach next fall, no doubt. For some odd reason I wake up and see it different, than I can make a case for Larry.
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[TD="class: xl66, bgcolor: transparent"]22-26[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl66, bgcolor: transparent"]4[/TD]
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Gunnerclone said:
4 straight ncaas=never done
back to back tournament titles = never done
pretty much altered the team building landscaping of cbn

lets not downplay what Fred has done here. Those are major accomplishments at ISU.
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thats still not an elite level. No one is arguing he hasn't done a lot here, but when you think of elite, that doesn't cut it.
 
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