Lol i don't see how the past two years have ruined it for you, when our whole history has sucked.
Better times coming?
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Lol i don't see how the past two years have ruined it for you, when our whole history has sucked.
Watching these current bowl games it's painfully obvious we're LIGHTYEARS away from above average talent. Watching some of the lower tier games it's also obvious we're going to need lots of luck against an easier schedule to earn the honor to play a "bowl" game on December 13th or some crap like that.
BUT that should be ISU's every-year goal - at the very least a crappy bowl game because regardless of who we want to be, we first have to know who the frick we truly are.
Honestly that is success to me - any kind of bowl game.
This is exactly where I'm at. I, by no means, have lofty expectations of the football program. However, its current state is totally and completely unacceptable.
Perpetual suckitude has a cumulative impact and takes a toll. My guess is you are on the younger end of the spectrum.
So you're idea of success is a bowl game but a 2 and 3 win season is absolutely unacceptable? That's a ridiculous set of standards.
I think we will be a bowl team next year, however, 6 wins being a good year isn't good enough for me. For me, next should have been an up year where we maybe win 9 games or so.
To say there's no reason to expect improvement next year really goes against anything football related. Defensively, we will lose two guys who started and both will be replaced by JUCOs that have come in the last two years. Not only do you have LBers that will naturally get better due to age, but they will all make large jumps due to the fact they are so young. You have two guys at safety who were a sophomore and a freshman, one of which was DFOY. Your one corner who everyone calls average because they don't know what they are talking about was a 2nd team All Conference player. You return every other corner that saw meaningful time, bring a few guys off redshirt and add a couple more plus a JUCO. Everything defensively says better and maybe even a lot better.
Offensively you get the second year of a system, return all but two Olinemen, one of which will be difficult to replace. The other three come back. One won't be a freshmen playing at 280. One won't be hurt. Another comes off a season ending injury. Yet another won't be in his first year playing due to the lack of bodies. Oh, and they seem to have competent coaching since they improved throughout the year. You lose Bibbs. I would say that's the only guy you won't replace, however there are so many receivers on the roster that you can probably replace his production in the aggregate.
So, when you say nothing points toward improvement, you are completely wrong in terms of generally accepted indicators of the direction of a football team. I'm not saying we will absolutely win more games. We may not, but nothing indicates anything but improvement at this point.
Didn't read past the first paragraph, but if I'm understanding correctly, me thinking that winning 2 or 3 games a year is unacceptable is wrong. But only if I deem going to any bowl game a successful season. That's an odd logic, but it's yours.
I respect your attitude and those that share it... But there is absolutely no way to convince me 8-4 is even possible.
So your argument is we will be better just because we're in year 7 of the program? Your logic failed after years' 4 and 5.
And to say we will be better but might not win any more games doesn't make sense... If we win no more games we by definition will NOT be better since we will be compared to the teams we play.
I never said anybody would brah. I'm just responding to the quoted post, and stormin as well that losing can and will keep some of the fans away who have been season ticket holders for a while.
I would believe you but pretty much everything from the Rhoads era points out that you are wrong. Most programs do have improvement and guys get better, this has not happened a whole lot under this regime. A few guys get better, sure. The overall program has not improved. Look at strength. ISU is constantly pushed around by teams like NDSU, UNI, Tulsa to name a few. These are not the big boys we are talking about either. I would think this many years into the S&C program there would be something better. Are the players stronger? Yes, at least it seems this does not turn into football strength. Your optimism is great but we win maybe 4 max next season.
No, it's yours. You quoted a post, highlighted the portion that said 6 wins is a success and said you agreed. Then you said 2-3 wins is unacceptable. That's a ridiculous combination.
No, you either didn't read or didn't comprehend. I'll spell it out. When freshman and sophomores get old they get better. Very seldom is that not true. Make sense? I know in everyones version of history that Klein and Knott were All conference guys as freshmen and sophomores but they weren't. In every year except this one you can point to solid linebacker improvement. Don't you think that maybe, just maybe that you didn't see it this year because there were freshmen and sophomores?
I enjoy the incredibly deep "we get pushed around all the time" argument especially since the vast majority of our defensive problems were gap integrity.
Why? It's not ridiculous at all. It's the difference between a bowl and being one of the worst power 5 teams in the country.
Team has a pretty good chance at winning a few Big 12 games.
Problem will be not fing up the opener against a good 1AA team and the fact Hawks will put up a much better effort coming off a loss that will be a pretty tough one even at home. So the season could be over before Big 12 play roles around.
Beat UNI and I see 6 wins and a bowl game for sure but I don't really trust this regime to handle them so it might be another ****** season before it even starts.
Problem will be not fing up the opener against a good 1AA team and the fact Hawks will put up a much better effort coming off a loss that will be a pretty tough one even at home. So the season could be over before Big 12 play roles around.
Beat UNI and I see 6 wins and a bowl game for sure but I don't really trust this regime to handle them so it might be another ****** season before it even starts.
You aren't going to see ISU win 6 or 7 games for 10 years straight. Either they will bounce around between 3-6 or if things went right they'd bounce around between 6-9. So if you are completely happy with a 6 win season, you have to be willing for the down years to be in that 3 win territory. Almost every program has good years and bad years. Someday, Alabama will have a 9 win season because things went bad. Maybe we'll have a 9 win season because things go well. My expectation is a bowl every year and to compete for a conference title once or twice a decade. Looking at the college football landscape, that doesn't seem ridiculous to me. We are far away from it and I have said before that I think we win 6 or 7 next year and move on. Now, you probably can't fire Rhoads after that but that 6 win season doesn't get me on board. If we miss a bowl game the year after, he should be gone. If I had to decide, I probably would have gone a different direction after this year. That doesn't automatically mean that I don't think they can improve.
Yeah. I'm failing to understand how that's a hard concept to grasp. In this conference, you have to at least be "good" to get to 6 wins. The other side of the coin is getting blanked in conference play (or winning one or two games). We were one of the, if not, worst P5 teams this season. There is an obvious difference between this and last season and going to a bowl game. A very substantial difference.
Big 12 is down its possible with NO non conference losses. Impossible if there is a loss OOC of course.
Middle of the league isn't scary. WVU was the 3rd best team in the Big 12 a year after sucking and bringing back the same team and they will be down. KSU is going to miss Waters big time and Synder doesn't recruit losing that QB-WR combo will be a death sentance. Mini-Gronks their best returner and he doesn't really have a position. OU and Texas suck too if you are judging them as national powerhouses based on name. Baylor and TCU lose a lot and can be split. OSU isn't scary Gundy has run his course there they have no QB.
Now the Big 12 is never a bad conference and almost always exceeds expectations but next year it doesn't look that imposing IMO.
Bowl games and winning against Texas, Nebraska, OSU (ranked #2) and TCU tend to give a person hope. Losing to UNI, KU, and NDSU ruined it for me. Not sure how you couldn't see how that's possible.
