2015 Defensive Depth Chart - We will be better, much better.

Mesaclone1

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Yes, I expect Mutcherson and Cousin to be fully back on the team for the upcoming season. Given that, the defense for next year looks to be much improved. As you can see, that 2nd team group is pretty much equivalent to this year's starting crew, so the upgrades seem pretty clear along the Defensive Line in particular...Linebacker is also going to much stronger with Harris and Mills being vastly more athletic than crew of Meeks/Knott/Seeley. No comparison there. The only thing that held Harris back was schematic understanding, which Wally is fixing over the course of his RS year....and Mills getting a taste of the field this season coupled with another off season will allow him to have tremendous development going into 2015. The key to everything, of course, is that Tucker and Leath are as good as advertised...and no doubt it will take them a little time to really adjust to this level of football. Tucker coming in early is huge in this regard.

Garcia as a backup is intriguing as well, because he showed moments of real ability though he was clearly thrown into battle way too soon this year...but another year of growth mixed with that experience could let him become a solid factor next year. Ditto for Cousin. As a backup, he can have the luxury of developing as he plays in smaller doses. Returning the 3 starters in the secondary and adding Wiltz makes for a nice four man group...and Kenneth Lynn was playing very well at the end of the year, so he is no lock to lose his job to Wiltz. That competition is nothing but good. At DE, Meyers always impressed as a Morrissey style of player, and Pierson really started coming on at the end of the season....Taylor had some good moments as well...so I think that's at least 3 very solid DE guys. Not great, but adequate as Big 12 quality players. Don't see any way that Meyers stays at DT, BTW.

There are many question marks, and much depends on the two Jucos in the center of the D-line. But...if they come through...this defense will be not just be better, it will be a lot better. To be clear, that will elevate them to being an average defense, not a good one. But that is still a quantum improvement over this season. Given our offensive tools and Mangino's system gaining strength, an average defense would be a very big deal and I think can carry us to a bowl game.



NG Demond Tucker
DT Bobby Leath
DE Dal Pierson
DE Mitchell Meyer
LB Jordan Harris
LB Brian Mills
NB Reggan Northrup
CB Jomal Wiltz
CB Nigel Tribune
SS Kamari Cotton-Moya
FS TJ Mutcherson


Backups
NG Devlyn Cousin
DT Robbie Garcia/Ayeni
DE Trent Taylor
DE Darius White/Gabe Luna
LB Alton Meeks/Sam Seonbucher
LB Levi Peters/Luke Knott
LB/NB Willie Harvey
CB Kenneth Lynn
CB Sam Richardson
SS Kamari Syrie
FS Qujuan Floyd

Just looking ahead, and trying to staunch the tide of pessimism...there is talent on this defense and I believe we will see fairly dramatic improvement. Overall, this 2015 defense looks to have a lot of speed...as always, the first concern is can it be staunch enough to stop the inside run games it will face. Leath/Tucker are the key to that and to everything else.
 
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Two things, I wouldn't necessarily count on Cousin being on the team although he may be. He better at least be suspended for several games for that crap. And I definitely wouldn't count on Leath starting at the beginning of the year since he is a summer enrolee.

And I agree that the depth will be much better and that the product will be better, but I'm not sold on it being good enough to take us to a bowl game. If we stay completely healthy, maybe, but that just doesn't happen. I hope you're right, I'm just not quite as sold as you are.
 
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So as long as 5 guys who have never played a snap of D1 ball are ready to step in and start, we should have something to look forward to?
 
No offense OP, but I've heard this story before. I want to believe, but the past tells me to go ahead and just expect the same, if not worse from last year, because that's been the trend.

On paper, everything looks good, but it seems some of that ink either gets smudged or just plain disappears by September.
 
While I appreciate your optimism and I really do, you forgot one big piece in your analysis. Terry Ayeni. RS juco last year only because he blew his acl in a freak accident prior to arriving on campus. Dude was going to have an immediate impact last season but took the RS. He natural position is DE but the staff was saying they planned on him inside due to depth issues which never happened because of the injury. I fully expect Ayeni to be in the 8 man dline rotation a lot next year. Ayeni is 6'4 280 lb stud who was a top 40 juco overall. Everyone seems to forget we have him. He's gained weight and a full year and half with the system and I'd be willing to bet we will see him as a backup DT or possibly pushing for starting Strongside DE. He has a motor.
 
So as long as 5 guys who have never played a snap of D1 ball are ready to step in and start, we should have something to look forward to?

A valid point, but....none of the 5 in question are true frosh, one is a JC who redshirted and is a known quantity to the staff, another is a JC player of the year at DL, two are early Juco enrollees...so its not like we're hoping 5 unknown first year freshman show up as superstars. Its mostly highly touted and recruited JUCO kids from strong programs, or known-quantity (known to the staff) redshirt players. So its not as wild a hope as you paint it...its optimistic, but not unrealistically so IMHO.
 
While I appreciate your optimism and I really do, you forgot one big piece in your analysis. Terry Ayeni. RS juco last year only because he blew his acl in a freak accident prior to arriving on campus. Dude was going to have an immediate impact last season but took the RS. He natural position is DE but the staff was saying they planned on him inside due to depth issues which never happened because of the injury. I fully expect Ayeni to be in the 8 man dline rotation a lot next year. Ayeni is 6'4 280 lb stud who was a top 40 juco overall. Everyone seems to forget we have him. He's gained weight and a full year and half with the system and I'd be willing to bet we will see him as a backup DT or possibly pushing for starting Strongside DE. He has a motor.
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OK, no more negative from me today.
 
While I like that CPR is getting juco recruits, I don't think you can just pencil them in as starters. There were many threads that did this last year, with as many 4 or 5 juco starters, and I don't think any of them started at the beginning of the year, and Taylor may be the only one that started all year.

With that said, yes I hope this year's jucos can be immediate impacts.
 
Two things, I wouldn't necessarily count on Cousin being on the team although he may be. He better at least be suspended for several games for that crap. And I definitely wouldn't count on Leath starting at the beginning of the year since he is a summer enrolee.

And I agree that the depth will be much better and that the product will be better, but I'm not sold on it being good enough to take us to a bowl game. If we stay completely healthy, maybe, but that just doesn't happen. I hope you're right, I'm just not quite as sold as you are.

Sounds like you know ALL the details of Cousin's incident. IMO, it is best to see what transpires before making rash judgements. The charge I saw cited was Simple Domestic Assault. There is a real possibility the charge could even be dropped.
 
Too lazy to look it up but what are PRs defensive rankings while a ISU? This season we finished last in the P5 correct? I'm just not sure we can expect to get noticeably better regardless of personnel. The ISU defense seems to have serious structural defects (according to the statistics?).

Any discussion of our defense for me is couched with the knowledge that we're very bad and have been for a while. I'm at a low point I my fanhood regarding the ISU football defense. It's so bad that I'm not sure anything could help it but a regime change.

Feel free to save this and post it if we get to a bowl next season but I don't expect more wins next season than last. I have to go drink some bourbon now...:(
 
Optimism, yes. Blind...no.

Blind pessimism, on the other hand...is the easy, and ever present path of too many here IMHO. I understand where its coming from, but its self defeating and pointless.
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Optimism, yes. Blind...no.

Blind pessimism, on the other hand...is the easy, and ever present path of too many here IMHO. I understand where its coming from, but its self defeating and pointless.
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This doesn't exist for ISU fans. ISU didn't have to have worst defense in the nation but none of us were surprised when we did. The pessimism is conditioned and warranted.